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[lordvader129]

QUOTE(gronned @ Dec 11 2008, 12:56 PM)

Absolutely, all Christians are hypocrites, but homosexuality is definitely forbidden, so they follow the bible in that sense. That most Christians don't even have a clue it's a sin to eat pork, simply follows their love for picking only the parts of the bible they like. Most Christians don't kill people that work on the Sabbath. Most of them work on the Sabbath themselves.

If they think they follow the bible they should even commit suicide for working on the Sabbath

All the time I hear Christians saying "Let us believe what we want, we don't harm anyone". No, the women that are forced to deliver their babies when they've been raped are not harmed - They just whine. The people suffering from e.g. Alzheimer are not harmed by Christians not allowing stem-cell research - They just whine.
The African Catholics that are not allowed to use condoms and therefore spread HIV instead are not harmed - They just whine.

Religions affect us in the most harmful ways possible, and needs to be terminated asap.

well as i said, its a matter of interpretation, why do christians need to follow hebrew law? the whole point of jesus dying was so that people didnt have to follow those laws for salvation

QUOTE(John 3:16 (King James Version))

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

"whosoever believeth," not "whosoever believeth...and does certain things and doesn't do other certain things"

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(gronned @ Dec 11 2008, 03:56 PM)

Religions affect us in the most harmful ways possible, and needs to be terminated asap.

that's not a very tolerant viewpoint coming from someone demanding tolerance

[gronned]

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Dec 12 2008, 04:31 AM)

that's not a very tolerant viewpoint coming from someone demanding tolerance

That's just a play with words. Unfortunately some people don't see these cheap tricks.

Not that I've explicitly stated it, but yes, I do demand tolerance - of which there is none in the Abrahamic religions.

This is the key point: one cannot be tolerant to what is not tolerant.

If religions were tolerant, I would probably not have been by bothered them in the first place. For example, you will rarely see me speak ill of Buddhism, as it's for the most part very tolerant.

[damam]

First - there is definitely a market for this ad in America.  I do agree that CBS, ABC, FOX, and NBC would never air it, but I could totally see this ad on Bravo.  I would also love to see this aired on SPIKE, in the middle of a UFC competition, for the pure comedic nature of the fall out.

If you think that this ad would be excepted by the majority of Buddhist world wide then you are ignoring the most common interpretation of the third precept of Buddhism.  The Dali Lama, for example, has remained consistent with this despite severe pressure to change his stance by groups like GALA.  His general reply goes something along the lines that being a Buddhist is a choice.  And I agree with him.  So is being a christian, or the church that you choose to go to for that matter.

The only verse that is relevant to this discussion in the bible is Romans 1 (some also say 1 Corinthians 6, but this is an even weaker argument).    Most homophobic Christians like to narrow this down to just versus 26 and 27.  But I personally believe this is a mistake because it gives a distorted view on the totality of the message.  As a christian, I find this part of my religion very frustrating.  Jesus never addressed homosexuality.  And while paul did talk about it, he never condemned it.

point number whatever:  Marriage should not be recognized by the government.  This clearly violates the separation of church and state.  Marriage is a religious sacrament.  End of discussion.  I am all for the idea of eliminating all marriages as recognized by the govt.  I would entertain the idea of replacing it with a civil union, once a civil union is better defined.

last thing: Swedish Christians appear to be very odd people.  

ps:  went shopping at IKEA last weekend.  Given that sweden is socialist state, i probably in part paid for your internet connection gronne.  your welcome!

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(damam @ Jan 9 2009, 01:47 PM)

point number whatever:  Marriage should not be recognized by the government.  This clearly violates the separation of church and state.  Marriage is a religious sacrament.  End of discussion.  I am all for the idea of eliminating all marriages as recognized by the govt.  I would entertain the idea of replacing it with a civil union, once a civil union is better defined.

this is pretty much the exact point i i take in my blog post i linked above

[gronned]

QUOTE(damam @ Jan 9 2009, 10:47 PM)

If you think that this ad would be excepted by the majority of Buddhist world wide then you are ignoring the most common interpretation of the third precept of Buddhism.  The Dali Lama, for example, has remained consistent with this despite severe pressure to change his stance by groups like GALA.  His general reply goes something along the lines that being a Buddhist is a choice.  And I agree with him.  So is being a christian, or the church that you choose to go to for that matter.

last thing: Swedish Christians appear to be very odd people.  

ps:  went shopping at IKEA last weekend.  Given that sweden is socialist state, i probably in part paid for your internet connection gronne.  your welcome!

Why mentioning whether Buddhists would accept it, or not? Am I a Buddhist because I quoted Buddha?

Is Sweden a socialist state? Our right-wing government may disagree with you!

Don't american companies pay taxes as well? I probably paid all of your internet connection then, given all the american companies here! At least you got some nice furnitures, if you managed to understand the manual

Last thing: All christians are odd people! Would you care to elaborate why ours are worse than yours?

[gronned]

Limbfilter,

Do they deserve respect as their branch of christianity is true, or because you find it more pure? It's bullshit nonetheless.

Check out the video to Rush's song Malignant Narcissism - http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

[buttface96]

QUOTE(gronned @ Jan 16 2009, 10:09 AM)

Last thing: All christians are odd people! Would you care to elaborate why ours are worse than yours?

Here's a tolerant view for you,

All Gay people are odd people.

How about that?

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(gronned @ Jan 16 2009, 01:09 PM)

Is Sweden a socialist state? Our right-wing government may disagree with you!

i felt a little sick to my stomach reading a claim that sweden has a "right wing" government. if you honestly think your government is anywhere near conservative, you have gone so far left that you can't see the middle any more.

[Mikesshunk]

QUOTE(gronned @ Jan 16 2009, 07:09 PM)

...Don't american companies pay taxes as well? I probably paid all of your internet connection then, given all the american companies here!...

That makes little sense given that our government does not pay for our internet connection.

[gronned]

QUOTE(Mikesshunk @ Jan 21 2009, 11:10 PM)

That makes little sense given that our government does not pay for our internet connection.

Do you think my "socialist" government pays for my internet? Exactly - that's why I mentioned it.

Reaper527,

True, they're not right-wing in american politics, but they're far to the right in Swedish. Liberal parties are considered right-wing here. The leading party (moderaterna) is officially a conservative party, but they're very liberal in reality.  I find them too right-wing for my liking. Anyone who thinks Sweden is a socialist country needs a proper reality-check, even when the social democrats ran the country.

[damam]

QUOTE(gronned @ Jan 16 2009, 07:09 AM)

Why mentioning whether Buddhists would accept it, or not? Am I a Buddhist because I quoted Buddha?

i submit that the majority would not, and i mentioned it because you said this

QUOTE(gronned @ Dec 11 2008, 07:38 PM)

If religions were tolerant, I would probably not have been by bothered them in the first place. For example, you will rarely see me speak ill of Buddhism, as it's for the most part very tolerant.

QUOTE(gronned @ Jan 16 2009, 07:09 AM)

Is Sweden a socialist state? Our right-wing government may disagree with you!

this statement really made me shake my head.  your right wing govt is still further to the left than even barak obama.  Sweden is about as socialist as it gets.  There was a time when you fully embraced this, I am suprised by your response.  Perhaps you want to see more leeching and mooching of your income?

QUOTE(gronned @ Jan 16 2009, 07:09 AM)

Don't american companies pay taxes as well? I probably paid all of your internet connection then, given all the american companies here! At least you got some nice furnitures, if you managed to understand the manual

no.  i dont have an internet connection.  It was either that or gymnastics lessons for my daughter ( i chose the lessons).  the govt offers no subsidies for it either.   I also live in a conservative state that does not really believe in social programs.

but, yes, i did gets some nice looking furniture.  IKEA engineers are a clever bunch.  They should turn there skills towards designing oil platforms so we can build them cheaper and faster too.

QUOTE(gronned @ Jan 16 2009, 07:09 AM)

Last thing: All christians are odd people! Would you care to elaborate why ours are worse than yours?

because i have listened to you talk about christians over the last (how many?) years.  I have come to the conclusion that given your prospective on christianity, and what you think all christians believe, that the majority of christians in sweden must be very odd people.  Its also clear that you dont understand the american interpretations either (I wont pretend to understand the swede christian interpretation).  Eating pork, for example, is not a sin for christians for at least 2 reasons.  And most american christians are well aware of both of those reasons.  

having said all that, and as a i said before.  Homosexuality as it pertains to christianity is a frustration of mine.  I have heavily researched this, and have really come to the conclusion that it is not forbidden in christianity.  I know i am in the minority on this, but I am working from within to change it too.

[damam]

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jan 11 2009, 06:54 PM)

this is pretty much the exact point i i take in my blog post i linked above

good to know i am still in good company
 

i get nothing but arguements on that topic where i live.