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majinsoftware

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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2009, 01:10:00 AM »

QUOTE(halleluia @ Nov 11 2009, 09:52 AM) View Post

Sorry for butting in but

1. Cant we use some kind of a software or something to report a different console id...Might not work cause random no's wont work..maybe

2.We the best possible solution is to hack LIVE srvers and unban everyone..Which I am sure someone is capable of...

I really think giving a fake ping is the best way...Only if someone can mod X Link Kai to do that...





1: Nope, Each console has a unique id. Like a serial number for computer games. Only one console can use it and it needs to match other info such as mac addres, serial number, man date.
And all this stuff needs to match in the MS data base.


2: The database probably doesn't have direct connection to the internet and is probably read only unless your on the local computer.
Its more likely all requests are direct to a computer that connected to the database over a private network.
Also if some one managed to hack this database MS would take it very seriously and if caught jail time for the offender.
Altho Id love for this to happen but even if it did your not likly to benifit from it as they could only add the info that they know. Would be impossible to match every combination. And if it was hacked to just let any one in MS would notice and could easly just restore to a backup they have.
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2009, 01:38:00 AM »

So theres only two posible solutions?

1.Fake ping thing

2.Some guy should come forward and make a custom dashboard and we should make a server. So we can set the dash to use that server for online. And all banned and unbanned people can join and they should put up a small membership fee to cover the costs...Then there will be no need for any stealth or watev er and we can patch games to boot without any updates..SO from what I have read the dash is signed by some kind of a code only MS knows and if anything changes it will change too right? So we need some way around this..And it will possibly mean BANK BANKRUPTCY FOR MS XBOX DIVISION... pop.gif   So then we can force ms to make GOLD free and unban everyone....LOL
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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2009, 01:43:00 AM »

QUOTE(halleluia @ Nov 11 2009, 10:38 AM) View Post

So theres only two posible solutions?

1.Fake ping thing

2.Some guy should come forward and make a custom dashboard and we should make a server. So we can set the dash to use that server for online. And all banned and unbanned people can join and they should put up a small membership fee to cover the costs...Then there will be no need for any stealth or watev er and we can patch games to boot without any updates..SO from what I have read the dash is signed by some kind of a code only MS knows and if anything changes it will change too right? So we need some way around this..And it will possibly mean BANK BANKRUPTCY FOR MS XBOX DIVISION... pop.gif   So then we can force ms to make GOLD free and unban everyone....LOL



2: Wont work on 99% of consoles, You need a dash thats hackable first which is only consoles with a version below 8XXXX. Other wise you cant get past the HV.
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2009, 03:05:00 AM »

QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Nov 11 2009, 02:13 PM) View Post

2: Wont work on 99% of consoles, You need a dash thats hackable first which is only consoles with a version below 8XXXX. Other wise you cant get past the HV.


I mean cant we kind of hack NXE from the pc and put it on the 360?
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2009, 03:45:00 AM »

crashzero:
Did you even read the question I was answering.
The guy was asking about a custom dash which you would need if you want a replacement xbox live.
It would have to be customised to point to a new server and to disable encryption so we can modify the packets.

Which isnt posiable on a xbox thats played a wave 4 game (because it would of updated the dash past 8XXXX)
Or if you have been on live in the last 3 months.
Theres only one exploit knowen to get past the sighing check (HV) and thats the king kong one. Weather it be though jtag or the disk method and a even older dash.

Not to mention its even more illegal to make a modified dash then it is to hack the firmware on the dvd drive since you are using all MS own code. It could of been done by now instead of having to use Xell but no one wants to be the first person to test the waters for the fire MS will bring down.

So that leave expanding system link as our only method.

And the working model would be more like this

Xbox1 <--> local modifying proxy <--> VPN1  <--> Internet <--> VPN1  <--> local modifying proxy <--> Xbox2

Since using a proxy to change the server is the easiest method because it can be set up in the settings on the xbox. So we might as well make the proxy handle the ping times and a few other things.
The VPN should be able to bring down the bandwidth requirements aswell if you enable compression on it.

And you might aswell have a UI in the proxy for selecting a VPN correct for the game you want to play. And to display peoples real pings so you know which person you want to connect to. I believe a VPN is limited to 256 clients at a time maybe its changed since windows 2000 tho.



halleluia:
Nope its encrypted and needs to be signed. If you try to flash it to the nand with out meeting these requirements you get a rrod or it just bricks it.
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2009, 05:13:00 AM »

QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Nov 11 2009, 04:15 PM) View Post

crashzero:
Did you even read the question I was answering.
The guy was asking about a custom dash which you would need if you want a replacement xbox live.
It would have to be customised to point to a new server and to disable encryption so we can modify the packets.

Which isnt posiable on a xbox thats played a wave 4 game (because it would of updated the dash past 8XXXX)
Or if you have been on live in the last 3 months.
Theres only one exploit knowen to get past the sighing check (HV) and thats the king kong one. Weather it be though jtag or the disk method and a even older dash.

Not to mention its even more illegal to make a modified dash then it is to hack the firmware on the dvd drive since you are using all MS own code. It could of been done by now instead of having to use Xell but no one wants to be the first person to test the waters for the fire MS will bring down.

So that leave expanding system link as our only method.

And the working model would be more like this

Xbox1 <--> local modifying proxy <--> VPN1  <--> Internet <--> VPN1  <--> local modifying proxy <--> Xbox2

Since using a proxy to change the server is the easiest method because it can be set up in the settings on the xbox. So we might as well make the proxy handle the ping times and a few other things.
The VPN should be able to bring down the bandwidth requirements aswell if you enable compression on it.

And you might aswell have a UI in the proxy for selecting a VPN correct for the game you want to play. And to display peoples real pings so you know which person you want to connect to. I believe a VPN is limited to 256 clients at a time maybe its changed since windows 2000 tho.
halleluia:
Nope its encrypted and needs to be signed. If you try to flash it to the nand with out meeting these requirements you get a rrod or it just bricks it.


So cant we just add fake ping thing to X Link Kai or do we need a proxy like you stated....
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2009, 05:19:00 AM »

If they added it to X Link Kai. But X Link Kai is more like a VPN manager. It doesnt modify any of the data, Thats where the proxy server would be better since you could still use X Link Kai if you wanted or any other VPN things.
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2009, 07:51:00 AM »

QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Nov 11 2009, 05:49 PM) View Post

If they added it to X Link Kai. But X Link Kai is more like a VPN manager. It doesnt modify any of the data, Thats where the proxy server would be better since you could still use X Link Kai if you wanted or any other VPN things.


Maybe they can make a special XBOX 360 version of it. Otherwise someone needs to ocme foward and host a kind of a proxy that says the ping is lower than 32..
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