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[red.bull.x]

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Let me suggest a hypothetical situation....

If i wanted to overthrow the current government...would the NSA respect my privacy or would they hunt me down without regard for my rights at all?

No, it's not NSA policy to 'hunt' people down. That would be a job for what we call a 'task force' which is contrived of several agencies. NSA may collect data only if you are communicating with outside enterprises. Such as a foreign contact outside US. soil. Otherwise the Federal Bureau of Investigation and US. Customs officials along with an oversight from the US. Secret Service would form a joint task force. You will never see an 'NSA' employee present during an investigation. The only time they ever get involved is during a closed court either after or before the suspect has been retained by law enforcement.  So to answer your question, No NSA will not hunt you down and Yes, even then they would still have to respect your privacy and civil liberties within the boundaries of US. Law. You are always considered innocent until proven guilty. Now if the US. Government has solid evidence proving your planning such an act. They can create what is called a sealed indictment. Then all is fair game.

Good question!

[pug_ster]

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"I believe in a strong, robust executive authority and I think that the world we live in demands it. And to some extent, that we have an obligation as the administration to pass on the offices we hold to our successors in as good of shape as we found them."

This fear monger said we will get another 9/11 if we don't listen to what he says:

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"You know, it's not an accident that we haven't been hit in four years," Cheney said. "I think there's a temptation for people to sit around and say, 'Well, gee that was just a one-of affair, they didn't really mean it.' "

This is absolutely ridiculous.  He used this same fear to justify why big brother is really your friend.  As a result of spying on americans without warrants, he can't even produce any significant results than before than there was a need for warrants.

[PhatIrishBastard]

QUOTE(pug_ster @ Dec 20 2005, 12:53 PM)

http://www.abcnews.g...tory?id=1424747

At least Cheney was more direct than Bush and his quote:
This fear monger said we will get another 9/11 if we don't listen to what he says:
This is absolutely ridiculous.  He used this same fear to justify why big brother is really your friend.  As a result of spying on americans without warrants, he can't even produce any significant results than before than there was a need for warrants.

I have yet to read about any new security measure that would prevent 9 Saudis from flying another plane into a building or just placing an explosive in plane cargo hold.

They werent illlegal aliens, had valid visas, and drivers liscenses.

60 Billion and all we got are sky marshalls. Not 100% luggage checks, or nonmexican immigration reform.

Shamefull

[red.bull.x]

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60 Billion and all we got are sky marshalls. Not 100% luggage checks, or nonmexican immigration reform.

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PhatIrishBastard,

Good point! I agree. We could be doing a lot more to secure our nation.

[puckSR]

The brilliant thing about terrorism?  It is impossible to stop.

Remember guerilla warfare?  Same thing....its much harder to stop

Revolutionary War
Vietnam War
Terrorism

It is much harder to stop small, loosely organized groups, than a broad enemy who is strictly defined

Well, the only way to defeat your enemy....kill everyone

[pug_ster]

http://abcnews.go.co...tory?id=1458270

Now the Bush Administration is going after the person(s) who leaked this information.  Don't they have better things to do?

[damam]

QUOTE(puckSR @ Dec 19 2005, 07:31 PM)

If i wanted to overthrow the current government...would the NSA respect my privacy or would they hunt me down without regard for my rights at all?

Dont know about the NSA, but I can relate a story about the CIA.  My Mothers cousin was in the CIA and when he retired, his house was burned to the ground and so was his RV that was stored on an offsite lot by aronists all in the same night.  Now it could have been some local hood lums who happened to have gotten both.  But I think we all know who it really was.  Was he doing something maybe he shouldnt have?  Probably.  Were his rights trampled on?  Definitely.

[pug_ster]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10945072/

Looks like Bush is going to start a PR campaign to tell us that Big Brother is good for our country.  Outside for election/re-election, I don't know when there was a time when a president needs a PR campaign to convience the American People of his Mediocre policies is good for us.

[thewickedjester]

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“It is limited and targeted to al-Qaida communications, with the focus being on detection and prevention.”

^ From the article

Now, I'm afraid I have no sources and I dont feel like doing the search to find it, but I do seem to remember when all this 'government spying on its own citizens in the name of terrorism' business came about. Not to long after a guy down the street was arrested for child pornography. The way they found him (again, I appologize for not having sources) was by using the new ok-to-spy go ahead to track his computer. Now, I would not have as big an issue with it if the tool were really being used for what its claimed to be used for. Ill see if I can dig up some sources for this or a related story.

[pug_ster]

Great, now it is called the 'Terrorist Surveillance Program'  It is just as original as 'Patriot Act' and 'No Child Left Behind.'