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psyberxian

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« on: November 08, 2004, 03:19:00 PM »

Draft coming, students told
By SUSAN ELAN
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: November 5, 2004)

Reinstatement of the draft is imminent, war correspondent and author Christopher Hedges told a crowd of more than 120 students and residents yesterday at Manhattanville College.

"We are losing the war in Iraq very badly, but the Bush administration will not walk away from the debacle without trying to reoccupy huge swaths of the territory they have lost," Hedges said. While working for The New York Times, he covered fighting in Central America, the Balkans and the Middle East, including Iraq during the first Gulf War.

To regain territory lost in Iraq, it will take double or triple the current 140,000 troops, Hedges said during the last lecture in a series called "The Costs of War."

The reservists and National Guard members who make up half of the U.S. forces are stretched to the breaking point and need relief, he said, and the draft is the only way to assemble the numbers needed. Reintroduction of the draft will be made in the name of the war on terrorism soon after an attack in the United States or abroad, he predicted.

"The war in Iraq will no longer be an abstraction," he said. "It will become deeply personal. In the next few weeks look for shifts in administration policy leading in the direction of an escalation of the war."

Hedges encountered no detractors at Manhattanville, unlike his experience at Rockford (Ill.) College in May 2003, when he was booed off the stage while giving a commencement speech shortly after President Bush's battleship announcement that the U.S. mission in Iraq had been "accomplished."

On the contrary, many in the audience last night said they had braved rainy weather to hear Hedges indict the seductiveness of war and the dangers of mindless jingoism as an antidote to their depression over the results of the presidential election.

"It's been a hard week and there are much harder times ahead. That's why it is so important for us all to be together tonight," said Connie Hogarth, who has a peace and justice center on the Manhattanville campus named after her. "After we finish grieving, we have to get back to working for peace and justice, and an end to this war and its killing."

Hedges' audience remained rapt as he wove poetry, mythology, history and Freudian psychology with anecdotes about colleagues lost on distant battlefields and his own brushes with death. He criticized military heroic ideals that thrive during war and the way war distorts the human imagination. In the fervor of war the individual sacrifices thought for a false sense of belonging to something larger, he said.

"At the end of the Vietnam War, we became a better country in our defeat," Hedges said. "We asked questions about ourselves that we had not asked before. We were humbled, maybe even humiliated. We were forced to step outside of ourselves and look at us as others saw us. And it wasn't a pretty sight."

Those who confuse his anti-war stance with an anti-soldier position are mistaken, Hedges said. "War in the end is always about betrayal. Betrayal of the young by the old, of soldiers by politicians and idealists by cynics."

-Psyber
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The unProfessional

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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2004, 03:24:00 PM »

The war may demand an increase in troops.  However regardless of what happens, there will not be a draft.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2004, 04:52:00 PM »

There's not going to be a draft, and i dont even know why college students are concerned because they wouldnt get drafted anyways.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2004, 06:44:00 PM »

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We are losing the war in Iraq very badly




just one of many untruths in that.....


it's just sad what some super-liberals will say...
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2004, 07:21:00 PM »

Yeah, sure, an Uber-liberal like Christopher Hedges has real insight into the Republican's plans, and isn't just spouting Democratic talking points that have been around since Reagan's terms in office.

FACT: Our current Secretary Of Defense was behind the ABOLITION of the Draft, under a REPUBLICAN President.

FACT: The only members of congress to propose a draft are two idiot Democrats, also the only ones to actually VOTE for the bill when it got slaughtered on the floor.

FACT: Iraq's troublemakers are mostly foriegners, and right this very moment, a big number of them are getting their asses handed to them.

Anybody who gives even remotely serious attention to these wild-ass claims is either 1) a disengenuous clown who knows he's lying but doesn't give a shit about truth, justice or the American way, or 2) a voluntary retard.

We all heard the claims of Republican evil-doing in 2000 that never came to "fruition" - and they won't happen now, either.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2004, 07:43:00 PM »

Honestly posts like this should be deleted by moderators. They are not about news or politics, they're lies and hype.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2004, 08:37:00 PM »

QUOTE (brandogg @ Nov 8 2004, 11:15 PM)
Honestly posts like this should be deleted by moderators. They are not about news or politics, they're lies and hype.

Well, anybody who believes this sort of tripe probably deserves whatever stress it causes them, for being such a moron and a clueless idiot.


The fact that this is so obviously a lame and dirty attempt by the left to scare people to their side just shows EXACTLY what type of people they really are, and any mildly intelligent person can see how this sort of thing exposes all that is wrong with their side.

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2004, 04:26:00 AM »

/looks at Brandoggs previous topic

:rolleyes:
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2004, 11:49:00 PM »

QUOTE (K98 @ Nov 9 2004, 08:24 AM)
There's not going to be a draft, and i dont even know why college students are concerned because they wouldnt get drafted anyways.

I agree there won't be a draft, however college does not exclude you anymore...
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Student Postponements - a college student may have his induction postponed until he finishes the current semester or, if a senior, the end of the academic year. A high school student may have his induction postponed until he graduates or until he reaches age 20.
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That is why college students are still afraid of such a thing.

Edit: And if you are afraid of a draft still, well unless you're 20, you shouldn't worry as much.  Since you wouldn't be first on the list, you'd have plenty of time to do whatever you need to do.

This post has been edited by Mage: Nov 10 2004, 07:58 AM
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2004, 06:32:00 PM »

this guy is a tree huggin' hippie
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2004, 08:28:00 PM »

QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Nov 8 2004, 11:56 PM)
The war may demand an increase in troops.  However regardless of what happens, there will not be a draft.

Our current economic status provides a constant supply of young men without any options.  As long as we continue to live the great american facade we will not need a draft.  

God bless our corrupted form of capitalism and if he doesn't bless us then we will find a new god who will.
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2004, 09:34:00 PM »

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Nov 9 2004, 03:53 AM)
Yeah, sure, an Uber-liberal like Christopher Hedges has real insight into the Republican's plans, and isn't just spouting Democratic talking points that have been around since Reagan's terms in office.

FACT: Our current Secretary Of Defense was behind the ABOLITION of the Draft, under a REPUBLICAN President.

FACT: The only members of congress to propose a draft are two idiot Democrats, also the only ones to actually VOTE for the bill when it got slaughtered on the floor.

FACT: Iraq's troublemakers are mostly foriegners, and right this very moment, a big number of them are getting their asses handed to them.

Anybody who gives even remotely serious attention to these wild-ass claims is either 1) a disengenuous clown who knows he's lying but doesn't give a shit about truth, justice or the American way, or 2) a voluntary retard.

We all heard the claims of Republican evil-doing in 2000 that never came to "fruition" - and they won't happen now, either.

Common sense and facts in a political debate?

Say it ain't so.

Kudos to you.
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2004, 10:05:00 PM »

You crazy liberals, I think you should put your money where your mouth is.... I will make a $100 bet with ANYONE that there will _NOT_ be a draft within the year. Come on, if you believe the garbage you speard, take the bet.
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2004, 11:32:00 PM »

Didn't Bush say like twice in the recent debates that there would be NO DRAFT? Damn, you dumb-ass liberals really should have taken the red pill...
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2004, 05:09:00 AM »

He also said sadam had stockpiles of WMD's and the ability to use them.  U wonder why the inspecters didn't find them, it's cause they weren't there.  He lied about WMD's and he could have lied about the draft.  How can a person say there will NEVER be the need for a draft, it's like saying you won't get sick.  You might really believe it but it isn't true.
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