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Title: Xbox One Memory Performance Improved For Production Console
Post by: garyopa on June 28, 2013, 09:14:13 PM

Microsoft tells developers that ESRAM bandwidth is up to 88 per cent higher

Microsoft have told developers they have improved the performance of the internal 32mb ESRAM greatly in console that are launching, so even XB1 with its DDR3, might now be faster then PS4's GDDR5

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This chart showing the PS4 peaking at 176gb/s compared to the early XB1 devkits running at 102gb/s is no longer true, as now Microsoft claims they been able to boost the speed of the ESRAM in production consoles (the ones you going to buy this holiday season) and the top speed in theory is now 192gb/s, making the XB1 now faster with its cheaper/slower DDR3 then the PS4 with its direct (no embedded cache to help it out) and more costly GDDR5 but normally faster.

Of course this is all peak theoretical throughput, it all depends on how good the developer is to be able to code their main graphics loops that need the high-bandwidth graphics speed like shadowmaps, lightmaps, depth targets and render targets to fit all with 32mb of space, Killzone developers claim they need 800mb of space, so 32mb is nothing, but still this boost in internal top theoretical speed can be usage if you know all the specs. and tricks of the system, so I can see exclusive games like Halo or Titanfall working with this to make their games look outstanding on the XB1 compared to the PS4, whereas multi-console games, the developer will most likely just default their engine to usage the slowest of the two systems, now being the PS4, instead of re-coding custom graphics elements that can improve the game's overall look just for the XB1 release.


Well-placed development sources have told Digital Foundry that the ESRAM embedded memory within the Xbox One processor is considerably more capable than Microsoft envisaged during pre-production of the console, with data throughput levels up to 88 per cent higher in the final hardware.

Bandwidth is at a premium in the Xbox One owing to the slower DDR3 memory employed in the console, which does not compare favourably to the 8GB unified pool of GDDR5 in the PlayStation 4. The 32MB of "embedded static RAM" within the Xbox One processor aims to make up the difference, and was previously thought to sustain a peak theoretical throughput of 102GB/s - useful, but still some way behind the 176GB/s found in PlayStation 4's RAM set-up. Now that close-to-final silicon is available, Microsoft has revised its own figures upwards significantly, telling developers that 192GB/s is now theoretically possible.

So how could Microsoft's own internal tech teams have underestimated the capabilities of its own hardware by such a wide margin? Well, according to sources who have been briefed by Microsoft, the original bandwidth claim derives from a pretty basic calculation - 128 bytes per block multiplied by the GPU speed of 800MHz offers up the previous max throughput of 102.4GB/s. It's believed that this calculation remains true for separate read/write operations from and to the ESRAM. However, with near-final production silicon, Microsoft techs have found that the hardware is capable of reading and writing simultaneously. Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations. Theoretical peak performance is one thing, but in real-life scenarios it's believed that 133GB/s throughput has been achieved with alpha transparency blending operations (FP16 x4).

The news doesn't quite square with previous rumours suggesting that fabrication issues with the ESRAM component of the Xbox One processor had actually resulted in a downclock for the GPU, reducing its overall capabilities and widening the gulf between graphical components of the Xbox One and the PlayStation 4. While none of our sources are privy to any production woes Microsoft may or may not be experiencing with its processor, they are making actual Xbox One titles and have not been informed of any hit to performance brought on by production challenges. To the best of their knowledge, 800MHz remains the clock speed of the graphics component of the processor, and the main CPU is operating at the target 1.6GHz. In both respects, this represents parity with the PlayStation 4.

Of course again this late sudden change in retail production versions over earlier devkits, will most likely be too late to improve 'launch games', but developers working on titles releasing in 2014 like Titanfall, will now have time to get newer devkits from Microsoft, and fine-tune their engines to make full usage of the very fast ESRAM speeds, so as the next year rolls along we will more able to visually see which system is better, welcome to round 2 of XB1 vs. PS4, the next-gen battle for top graphics is on!

NEWS SOURCE #1: Xbox One memory better in production hardware (via) EuroGamer (
NEWS SOURCE #2: Xbox One memory performance improved for production console (via) 360Crunch (

Title: Xbox One Memory Performance Improved For Production Console
Post by: xalucardx on June 28, 2013, 10:29:01 PM

Its not GDDR3 its DDR3

Title: Xbox One Memory Performance Improved For Production Console
Post by: garyopa on June 28, 2013, 10:46:28 PM

Its not GDDR3 its DDR3

Thanks corrected...

Title: Xbox One Memory Performance Improved For Production Console
Post by: BasicAir on June 29, 2013, 10:32:16 AM

Very good news indeed. This will definitely make the argument that PS4 is more powerful invalid it seems. Sadly, however, most people spouting off the RAM advantage for PS4 won't know about or will disregard this news. Oh well, that's their loss.

I was never worried about the performance to begin with anyway but this certainly reassures me. PS3 was always much more powerful than Xbox 360 but we never saw any drastic differences.

I can't wait to get my Xbox One! Haven't been this excited for anything gaming in many years.

Title: Xbox One Memory Performance Improved For Production Console
Post by: Chan163 on July 01, 2013, 01:39:16 PM

People, get your facts straight! The 32MB of static RAM  are now faster than PS4s  8Gb GDDR5 RAM, not the whole thing! Now coders have to optimize their engines to  fit into the 32MB of SRAM to be a bit faster than the PS4 is on access of its ENTIRE 8GB. If it won't fit: Too bad, performance will be half as good as on PS4.

As for PS3 vs 360: The PS3 had the more powerful CPU, yes, but it is much harder to code and optimize for. It's a technicians dream, in theory very powerful, in reality hard to get to work. The 360 was straight forward: 3 cores, each with two threads... Easy. With the XB1 vs PS4 it's the other way around: PS4 is straight forward. Fast RAM attached to the system, no trickery needed to use the potential. XB1 needs that trickery. Special optimization... I predict, that games for both systems will be either as good as XB1 can do or a good bit better on PS4 because devs won't take the time or even won't HAVE the time to optimize for the special needs of XB1.

I have always been an Xbox buyer (multiple original Xboxes, multiple 360s), but for the first time I'm considering buying the PS4 instead. Only thing is: I'll really miss the new Halos...

Title: Xbox One Memory Performance Improved For Production Console
Post by: enu87 on July 02, 2013, 05:48:05 AM

I have to agree with you on the PS4... I've owned multiple original Xboxes (modchip and case mod on one of them too), have two 360s (camped out for one of them at launch) and have been a XBL subscriber since it came online but I've already ordered my PS4 for this generation.  I'll probably buy a XBO a little later (to play some of the exclusives I'll miss), but this is the first time I've leaned the Sony direction for a console launch.  I've been looking for a good reason to change my mind, but haven't seen one yet.

Edited by enu87, 02 July 2013 - 01:48 PM.

Title: Xbox One Memory Performance Improved For Production Console
Post by: KevinMartin on August 22, 2013, 02:11:21 AM

I am furthermore using PS4 from the last 2 months..It favorably works for me..I also  in a favor of buying XBOX 360.I mostly like about it that it is much better than the any kind of external memory card of any type, contemplating you can get up to 120GB of memory in the XBOX also  has legendary graphics, and XBOX exclusive games.

Edited by KevinMartin, 22 August 2013 - 10:13 AM.