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Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: Xbox-Scene on July 01, 2011, 07:37:55 PM

                       
EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Posted by XanTium (http://mailto:xantium@xbox-scene.com) | July 1 22:37 EST | News Category: Xbox360
 
From eurasia.nu (http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2814):


While waiting anxiously for this truly unique product to release I got the opportunity to interview the xKey (aka x360Key) main developer. Here's a brief recap for our new visitors; this product will let you play all your Xbox 360 games from any USB drive!

* What products have the xKey Team developed in the past?
* XKey, Wode, Wiikey, Drivekey, d2pro, xenoGC, Qoob, Crystal Chip, Aladdin XT/XenoFX series mod chips for Xbox 1.

* Will xKey work with all Xbox 360 consoles, including Slim?
* Yes and as new drive versions appear we will add support for them too.

* How do you install xKey, is it easy?
* Very easy, it's Plug 'n' Play, if you can dump the firmware from your drive then you can install the Xkey.

* Does the Xbox 360 DVD drive need any custom firmware flashed to work with Xkey?
* No, quite the opposite in fact. You need a dump of the original drive firmware to configure Xkey. The good news is that's all you need to configure Xkey.

* How safe is xKey on Xbox Live compared to iXtreme?
* While we take every care to accurately emulate the XBox's drive we do not recommend using Xkey with XBL at launch. Shortly after launch we will release updates that address this.
Also, plenty of people have been banned while using CFW and there are still issues even with the latest iXtreme. For example, in order to pass the new Slim FW checks a lot of data has to be swapped around (C4E's so called 'rootkit'). This takes time and the checks take a lot longer to perform than they would on a stock drive. In the worst case it takes CFW takes 5 times longer to perform the check (15 seconds instead of 2-3). If MS have noticed this then it is quite possible that every Slim owner using CFW has already been marked for a ban. [See timing graph (http://../www.eurasia.nu/images/submitted/xkey_vs_ixtreme_timing_explained.png) for details.]
By comparison Xkey features a powerful ARM9 CPU that can perform the FW checks *faster* than the real drive running stock FW. We have the horsepower & the storage capacity to handle anything the future brings.

* How will the new XGD3 disc format (eg. Halo Reach) be handled by xKey, any special backup considerations?
* We do not anticipate any problems with XGD3, game ISOs are stored on HDD and are not limited by the capacity of a DL DVDR. Xkey supports any number of HDDs upto 2 TB in size.


Full Interview: eurasia.nu (http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2814)



   






Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: OzModChips on July 01, 2011, 09:16:38 PM

I guess M$ could just add a line of code to check the timing of such checks and either block FW mods on slims or have to get things optimised. Will be interesting to see how he responds to this.

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Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: chinmi on July 01, 2011, 10:15:51 PM

so this gonna be the ultimate safe on xbox live solution then... wow....

damn i want one  biggrin.gif




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: tomgreen99200 on July 01, 2011, 10:47:15 PM

Interesting stuff. Cant wait to hear more.




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: hollowtip on July 01, 2011, 10:49:04 PM

I'm curious to see c4eva's response in regards to the alleged timing issues that have been outlined with his firmware.




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: rwcottrell on July 02, 2011, 12:18:18 AM

so if your already running say lt 1.9 you would have to flash back to stock to get this to work?




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: LightningStruckMyXbox on July 02, 2011, 12:27:33 AM

Was the 1.9 fw in those tests for the 9504 drive? I guess it makes sense that they would get a testing firmware from c4, but if they didnt that might explain the difference between whatever drive they used for LT+ 1.9 and the stock 9504. Im hoping the LT+ 1.9 tests were dont on the 9504 though, for sake of consistency. Otherwise you really couldn't trust the timings. Maybe different models take different amounts of time to respond.

I am interested in what c4 has to say and maybe what he can do about it. Glad to see some questions answered at least.




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: bobasp1 on July 02, 2011, 12:43:15 AM

Wasn't the first 360 ban wave based on response timings from the 360 drive? If i remember it was optimized and ran quicker than the stock fw. So they banned em that way.




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: Murc on July 02, 2011, 01:13:48 AM

Thanks for the extra info.
I just pre-ordered mine.  smile.gif




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: ca102455 on July 02, 2011, 04:36:02 AM

So if timings really are that bad in LT+ wouldn't M$ have banned everyone by now?






Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: CelerionQ on July 02, 2011, 05:22:40 AM

So if timings really are that bad in LT+ wouldn't M$ have banned everyone by now?


It's only a problem for slims - and as you should know MS doesn't ban right away. You get flagged first and than banned in a big wave.




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: pv3nomq on July 02, 2011, 05:25:28 AM

"* How safe is xKey on Xbox Live compared to iXtreme?
* While we take every care to accurately emulate the XBox's drive we do not recommend using Xkey with XBL at launch. Shortly after launch we will release updates that address this."


Impressive, BUT.... show me LIVE safe, and I'll show my money. sleep.gif




Edited by pv3nomq, 02 July 2011 - 01:28 PM.


Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: Jagosix on July 02, 2011, 05:33:40 AM

Hello Fellow Gamers smile.gif. If timing is an issue, why not just install the game to the hardrive and run it from there? I mean the X360 currently has that ability without the xkey? Wouldn't that also change the timing response? It cuts the load time way down.




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: CelerionQ on July 02, 2011, 08:17:35 AM

Hello Fellow Gamers smile.gif. If timing is an issue, why not just install the game to the hardrive and run it from there? I mean the X360 currently has that ability without the xkey? Wouldn't that also change the timing response? It cuts the load time way down.


The checks will always be performed against the drive, it makes no difference if you install the game to the harddisk.




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: juggahax0r on July 02, 2011, 08:18:54 AM

Obviously c4 and Team-x are not going to be very happy about this. However they are not the first ones to point this out. C4eva didn't have anything to say about the first time it was brought up , I wouldn't expect it now.




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Post by: 'Will-am-I' on July 02, 2011, 08:18:55 AM
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Hello Fellow Gamers smile.gif. If timing is an issue, why not just install the game to the hardrive and run it from there? I mean the X360 currently has that ability without the xkey? Wouldn't that also change the timing response? It cuts the load time way down.



The drive still gets challenged. Thats why you have to keep the disc in.
               
               

               
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Post by: 'ruciz' on July 02, 2011, 08:29:30 AM
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               well, IIRC, emulating satellite cards worked great. As long as you kept the emulator up to date it would emulate using the real card to answer challenge/responses, and patch the tiers and timezones and all that into the 'emulated' image. This was not affected by any 'checks' as it returned the correct values, using the stock hardaware.
Flashing the satellite cards would require blockers which then prevented the cards from updating to the new keys which means it would stop working.

Satellite comms is ONE-WAY!  Xbox live is 2-way comms.

So looking at it from that perspective, emulation works great and is BETTER than attempting to optimize code to run on a hardware platform and inject hooks or additional data without screwing the clock cycles up..
But with that said, there were 4 types of emulation and only ONE would ever survive the wrath of EMM attempts, and would update its virtual image to comply. If the X360Key team can manage this, now that MS has shown it can reflash almost all dvd drives, it may be a huge selling point and proof of future support. Unlike that of previously abandoned projects like the WODE.

In the nfo released for the 9504 drives, it states that C4E installed a rootkit to just 'not answer' as the questions were open-ended, without an absolute response value that LT could determine.

This would make me think if he didn't answer the drive 'timed-out' on the said challenge and would likely set or send a flag to the console, which the rootkit likely prevented, and sent an 'its OK' status.

This is just my assumption, If this emuation device is correctly coded MS will not be able to detect it. Either way it seems like the X360Key can't dump the drive firmwares (which is dumb) as it should have a built-in check to dump the firmware and compare it to the 'what im gonna use' firmware to ensure MS didn't update it.

I also presume MS won't ban consoles anymore, but rather make discs stop working and reflash DVD drives to stop playing backups. They don't make much on the consoles but do on Live and DLC, which modded systems still need to pay for and is direct profit for MS. Pissing off a would-be modder by making them constantly reburn discs and reflash drives is better than forcing them to buy another console which they could then use online and their 'banned' one offline...
               
               

               
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Post by: 'mputten' on July 02, 2011, 08:30:48 AM
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               Seems to be that Xkey gonna be safer than ixtreme. But at launch x360key is not live save at all.

Furthermore: Wode Jukebox is not from Pegaxy! But the main developer behind Wode is now with pegaxy (pegaxy from wiikey 2 etc.)

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Post by: 'Vrtclhykr' on July 02, 2011, 09:24:47 AM
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               pv3nomq says:

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Impressive, BUT.... show me LIVE safe, and I'll show my money


I say: You are an idiot.

These teams finally work on a project that allows HD play without a JTAG machine and idiots like you can only complain.  I recommend you keep your money because you need it for an education.
               
               

               
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Post by: 'Reaper527' on July 02, 2011, 11:03:42 AM
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QUOTE(Vrtclhykr @ Jul 2 2011, 12:24 PM) View Post

pv3nomq says:
I say: You are an idiot.

These teams finally work on a project that allows HD play without a JTAG machine and idiots like you can only complain.  I recommend you keep your money because you need it for an education.


no, i think he has a valid point. the detectability of this device is an issue that we will have to wait and see on. microsoft has in the past proven that they have no problem with blocking 3rd party products at the console level. just look at the datel fiasco a few years ago.

if microsoft DOES detect that a console is using one of these devices, what will they do? will they simply ban the console, or will they implement something in a future dash/kernel update to prevent booting from it, rending the device as a paperweight?

no one will know how well this device will work long term until the product is released and we see what microsoft can do about it.
               
               

               
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Post by: 'd4f' on July 02, 2011, 11:06:49 AM
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I also presume MS won't ban consoles anymore, but rather make discs stop working and reflash DVD drives to stop playing backups.

This would imply that write-locked drives can be unlocked again.

Furthermore it's dangerous to flash DVD drives since they can simply bad-flash. Due to it not being user-caused, customers could complain and ask for a replacement, ultimately causing Microsoft yet again more costs.
(This is based on the assumption that MS has not hidden any non-breakable bootloader with firmware-flashing capability in the drive which they apparently have not.)

If xKey is any demonstration of the scene's development capability, I wonder how long it will take before somebody produces a motherboard clone with full binary-compatibility but no hardware lockdown wink.gif

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or will they implement something in a future dash/kernel update to prevent booting from it, rending the device as a paperweight?

They would have to check it on every boot, since they are not allowed to willingly render the console useless for it's main purpose(s) by law. If xKey really is fully updatable as they claim and it's FPGA / ARM provides enough horse power, I don't see how they couldn't eventually get the console to be fooled for some time  - until the next update.
               
               

               


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Post by: 'Midnight Tboy' on July 02, 2011, 12:45:13 PM
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               so has it been said then that isos are needed?

Ideally would be much preferable if extracted isos where allowed, or even GOD or reconstructed smaller isos from the extracted files?  Suppose that would all depend though on if the device relied on random padding data etc to be there.

If it did allow god,extracted files mind.....and it needs to send an ss.bin etc then I guess that could also be remedied by the extracted game having a subfolder which holds that info
               
               

               
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Post by: 'kiltear' on July 02, 2011, 01:04:51 PM
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QUOTE(CelerionQ @ Jul 2 2011, 07:22 AM) View Post

It's only a problem for slims - and as you should know MS doesn't ban right away. You get flagged first and than banned in a big wave.


I believe it's hard for Microsoft to ban again. Here's the reasons.

1. Microsoft get nothing out of banning consoles (no incentives of banning consoles)
2. Street will be flooded with ban consoles.
3. Hacker just sell their ban console on craiglist and buy a new one. (now that there is a replacement board from team-xecuter)

I think MS will think twice before they ban again. They will compare the benefits vs negatives.
If they want to win this battle, they should make it harder for the hackers to get online or make it harder for the games to load like the ap25 check or implement XGD3 disc format instead. That way they won't flood the street with ban consoles. In the end, hackers just buy another new console. So no benefit for MS to ban consoles.
               
               

               


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Post by: 'danthaman673' on July 02, 2011, 01:48:03 PM
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               Don't worry about this for the time being, As it seems PCB swapping is the go now(generally) for slims: We might well see effectively OC'd drive PCB's(for want of a better term ;-) to combat this issue, if in fact this does become an issue, in theory longer times can be caused by other issues such as heat and technically doesn't allow them to say definitively (in a way that would stand a class-action) that the console was being used for unlawful purposes. Just between you me an everyone else though: I reckon they have more ways to skin this cat, yet they will abstain for many reasons, many of them not so obvious. Yes they enjoy a temporary sales boost post-ban but there are many, many other things to consider.

I think this is a little irresponsible to be publishing this info (and transparent) at this time. I think they should not have taken large sums of money for a product that wasn't even in beta under the premise of 'pre-order' etc.. Without sharing the profits with those whoem have financed their R&D. I think they should release all their source after launch (before someone else does - or worse yet take the surprisingly little amount of time to desgin their own version; perhaps even one that runs 100% SW on a PC or similar eg; low-end embedded etc.... some of this exists already ;-) It's not like ppl at home will be able to build their own cheaper or better etc.. sure there will be the usual half-arsed knock-offs, but they will be there anyway, and ppl will pay the same attention to them as they would otherwise.

That said: Good on them for developing it, for those of us sceners who have been hinting that someone develop an emu for ages (some of which had to basically spell it out out-right) in the hope someone would run with it, so that it would be there, available before M$ pushed us into the corner that would make it a requirement (as a fall-back for that eventuality- perhaps a little premature??) ... An there it is! The catch '22' the  paradox of it all, and if I have to spell the rest-out then ....

Anwyayz, I try not to make a practice of 'spelling-things-out' like obvious shortcomings that M$ or others might exploit, there comes a time in every arms-race when one or both sides realise that it might not be in their best interests to keep pushing things to the next logical step continually... For every action .. etc... Sometimes it's better for all involved to slow things down a bit... And as an observer I try not to engage in myself... Anyway it's usually all been said before... Can't wait to check-out the wi-fi integration (That's something I didn't see coming, I like a surprise now and then ..)

Enough of my wall-of-text ramblings! Back to work!
               
               

               


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Post by: 'klbarnes1' on July 02, 2011, 02:04:33 PM
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               What the hell is that guy above me saying?  Someone please translate!
               
               

               
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Post by: 'pif001' on July 02, 2011, 03:59:46 PM
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What the hell is that guy above me saying?  Someone please translate!


Honestly I am not that sure. But I noticed that he was trying to say that he is a Scener, I am not sure what it means, but it could be related to homosexuality, or perhaps it means that he see things from a different perspective!!
               
               

               
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Post by: 'OggyUK' on July 02, 2011, 06:25:57 PM
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               FYI

He talks alot of shit
               
               

               
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Post by: 'col12' on July 02, 2011, 07:57:25 PM
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               calnt wait for this the weird thing happend to my  xbox when i turn it on it auto signs in to xbl gamer tag when i go to boot a game black screen every single game i own i was on for hours trying to fix it but if i disconected my ethernet cable the games worked fine but when i pluged in kinnect it freezez i had to boot games offline then sign in with xbl g tag for it to work well it turned out to be my hard drive was on its way out xbox.com support said when you keep playing your games from hd it eventualy causes problems like screen freezes and so on i can remember i was on the 360key channel and c4 was on saying wait something better coming around the same time so xecuter might make a clone and c4 can do his magic and make it xbl safe
               
               

               
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Post by: 'trasixes' on July 02, 2011, 10:23:35 PM
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QUOTE(Vrtclhykr @ Jul 2 2011, 09:24 AM) View Post

pv3nomq says:
I say: You are an idiot.

These teams finally work on a project that allows HD play without a JTAG machine and idiots like you can only complain.  I recommend you keep your money because you need it for an education.


It would be easy for me to declare you the actual idiot here, but your post seems to do that.

He didn't complain, and in fact complimented the project as "impressive".  If "live-safe" is what he wants in a product, then he is doing the developers of the Xkey a favor in letting them know what must be done to convince him to buy.

What did your post contribute? Nothing, not a damn thing. Troll.
               
               

               
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Post by: 'rwcottrell' on July 02, 2011, 11:43:27 PM
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so if your already running say lt 1.9 you would have to flash back to stock to get this to work?

can anyone answer my question?i feel its pretty valid considering most people here are running some form of cfw.
               
               

               
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Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: giblet on July 03, 2011, 06:00:49 AM

can anyone answer my question?i feel its pretty valid considering most people here are running some form of cfw.


Yes.




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: orangpelupa on July 03, 2011, 06:26:32 AM

also if  xkey compatible with DVD CFW, it will be a lot better in ease of use.

so gamer can play iso from HDD, or do pass thru and play pi.... backup from disc.




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: col12 on July 03, 2011, 07:14:43 AM

i think theres a clone being made acorrding to someone on #fw




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: angrykid on July 03, 2011, 07:24:07 AM

there will be one small thing they "forgot" or "could not" emulate and then bam....... say goodbye to XBL suckers
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also entertaining to watch people have hissy fits on here  jester.gif




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: njmbb8 on July 03, 2011, 07:35:39 AM

i love the device and really want one. but it costs more than what i payed for my xbox




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: Reaper527 on July 03, 2011, 10:14:42 AM

They would have to check it on every boot


and? do they not do ap2.5 checks every time you try to boot an ap2.5 game? do they not do other various security checks every time the console boots? do the slims not do automated firmware checks on every boot? you make it sound like it is a problem to have to do checks on every boot.

also, i think the stuff they have done to banned consoles should show you exactly how far microsoft can go. i think you are misunderstanding how far microsoft can legally go. did you forget that when they ban a console, they remove the consoles ability to legitimatley sign content, meaning your content is locked to your system and can't be moved to another? and don't forget the profile bans they gave to people who played games before release date a few years ago (or more specifically, took away access to all of those people's purchased dlc/xbla content, with no way to retrieve it ever)

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If xKey really is fully updatable as they claim and it's FPGA / ARM provides enough horse power, I don't see how they couldn't eventually get the console to be fooled for some time  - until the next update.


that is assuming that microsoft detects an imperfection like they have done with various cfw revisions as opposed to being able to just tell right off the bat that this is an emulator and not a real drive. like i said, only time will tell. i personally am skeptic about the longevity of this device.


I believe it's hard for Microsoft to ban again. Here's the reasons.

1. Microsoft get nothing out of banning consoles (no incentives of banning consoles)
2. Street will be flooded with ban consoles.
3. Hacker just sell their ban console on craiglist and buy a new one. (now that there is a replacement board from team-xecuter)

I think MS will think twice before they ban again. They will compare the benefits vs negatives.
If they want to win this battle, they should make it harder for the hackers to get online or make it harder for the games to load like the ap25 check or implement XGD3 disc format instead. That way they won't flood the street with ban consoles. In the end, hackers just buy another new console. So no benefit for MS to ban consoles.



people say this all the time. you are being naive. people present the same points of logic every time that there has been any span of time since the last banwave. these same people are always shocked when microsoft finds a new reliable way to detect people and starts swinging the ban hammer.




Edited by Reaper527, 03 July 2011 - 06:20 PM.


Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: tonelab77 on July 03, 2011, 10:46:32 AM

pv3nomq says:
I say: You are an idiot.

These teams finally work on a project that allows HD play without a JTAG machine and idiots like you can only complain.  I recommend you keep your money because you need it for an education.

I couldn't agree with you more. What an effing tool shed! Unappreciative fools like that should be banned from life!

no, i think he has a valid point. the detectability of this device is an issue that we will have to wait and see on. microsoft has in the past proven that they have no problem with blocking 3rd party products at the console level. just look at the datel fiasco a few years ago.

if microsoft DOES detect that a console is using one of these devices, what will they do? will they simply ban the console, or will they implement something in a future dash/kernel update to prevent booting from it, rending the device as a paperweight?

no one will know how well this device will work long term until the product is released and we see what microsoft can do about it.

He has a valid point if you're a one of the many [insert degrading remark here] who thinks anything will ever be "live safe". If you want to play on live so badly, buy a second (live only) console.

This is for people who cannot JTAG their consoles, either because of incompatible dash version/blown e-fuses or inexperience in JTAGing a 360; People who just want to load up all their games on external hard drives. It's NOT for people who have no common sense, and want to play every burned game they have on live.




Edited by tonelab77, 03 July 2011 - 07:00 PM.


Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: bill16504 on July 03, 2011, 10:56:56 AM

I believe it's hard for Microsoft to ban again. Here's the reasons.

1. Microsoft get nothing out of banning consoles (no incentives of banning consoles)
2. Street will be flooded with ban consoles.
3. Hacker just sell their ban console on craiglist and buy a new one. (now that there is a replacement board from team-xecuter)

I think MS will think twice before they ban again. They will compare the benefits vs negatives.
If they want to win this battle, they should make it harder for the hackers to get online or make it harder for the games to load like the ap25 check or implement XGD3 disc format instead. That way they won't flood the street with ban consoles. In the end, hackers just buy another new console. So no benefit for MS to ban consoles.


2007 just called... they want your reasoning back.

1. No incentive to ban? MS makes more $$$ from game sales than they do console sales.

2. What concern is it to MS if the "streets are flooded", as you put it, with banned consoles? MS doesn't lose any $$$ from used consoles.

3. Hacker will sell their console and buy a new one you say. Help me understand how buying a new console doesn't help MS. You're giving them more money for another console.




Edited by bill16504, 03 July 2011 - 07:02 PM.


Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: sini on July 03, 2011, 11:31:11 AM

This device sounds awesome but it sucks that you still have to dump the firmware from your dvd-rom. Since it's man in the middle can't it just sniff out the key? That way you could just download an orig firmware for your drive to the device and let it fill in the key.
I don't mind dumping the firmware of older drives but some of the newer ones are a real pain.

again a lot of bullshit from a team who only wants your money asap. thats why they would like everyone to preorder. prices will go down pretty fast after release...

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Post by: 'd4f' on July 03, 2011, 01:01:58 PM
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That way you could just download an orig firmware for your drive to the device and let it fill in the key.

To my understanding there is no problem injecting the key into a vanilla firmware.
However
- someone needs to provide all firmware versions
- you still need the key

So at the end of the day you have (more or less) the same work wink.gif

Sniffing is not possible if no security-critical weakness is found in the encrypted channel. (Afaik the key is never transferred, only the data which is encrypted with the key)
You would have to do Jungleflash-style hacks on the device to get the key.
               
               

               


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Post by: 'sncboom2k' on July 03, 2011, 01:36:02 PM
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               All this detection bit aside - the price tag is pretty high on this device so I'm wondering if they'll provide the tools needed to "read your key" in order to install it.  Otherwise that will be an additional cost.

Pricey - but may be worth it. I'll wait until they launch and work out some bugs before buying.  Sorry - not an early adopter for that much money.
               
               

               
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Post by: 'manu_xl' on July 03, 2011, 04:14:41 PM
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               again a lot of bullshit from a team who only wants your money asap. thats why they would like everyone to preorder. prices will go down pretty fast after release...
               
               

               
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Post by: 'Exobex' on July 03, 2011, 05:44:52 PM
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QUOTE(manu_xl @ Jul 4 2011, 12:14 AM) View Post

again a lot of bullshit from a team who only wants your money asap. thats why they would like everyone to preorder. prices will go down pretty fast after release...

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Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: kiltear on July 03, 2011, 09:55:26 PM

2007 just called... they want your reasoning back.

1. No incentive to ban? MS makes more $$$ from game sales than they do console sales.

2. What concern is it to MS if the "streets are flooded", as you put it, with banned consoles? MS doesn't lose any $$$ from used consoles.

3. Hacker will sell their console and buy a new one you say. Help me understand how buying a new console doesn't help MS. You're giving them more money for another console.



here's my reply back
1. How can they (MS) make money on games if the person is buying a used ban console and can't play on Live.
2. Yes, they are losing $$$ because that person could have bought a new console from a retail store instead of the ban console if there are plenty of cheap ban consoles on the street.
3. Well there is always a second hand buyer.




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: kerry on July 04, 2011, 01:57:58 AM

wow.....it would be cool to play games from an USB device without any firmware changes...i would buy one for 99$ at max though....




Title: EurAsia interview with the xKey developer
Post by: Eric10301 on September 24, 2011, 03:55:35 PM

It needs OFW?

I modded my 360 so long ago and re modded it multiple times. The OFW is on some long lost drive I was using at the time (40g pos that worked perfectly with my VIA sata).

Anyway to get this to work with the CFW? Anyway to recreate the OFW?

Am I screwed?


All of the OFW's are in the LT+ 1.91fw pack.