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Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: Xbox-Scene on August 01, 2007, 07:50:09 PM

                       
Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Posted by XanTium (http://mailto:xantium@xbox-scene.com) | August 1 22:50 EST | News Category: Xbox_Xbox360
 
                                   
Microsoft, The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) and Nintendo posted press releases concerning the raids on US modchip resellers (http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EElyppVuFykjQKHQAM.php).

The Microsoft press release:


Microsoft Corp. today issued the following statement in support of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) anti-piracy enforcement actions taken against distributors of modification chips designed to circumvent copyright protection on popular game consoles, including the Xbox� and Xbox 360� game consoles:

"Microsoft applauds ICE for its effort to reduce piracy and protect the intellectual property of Microsoft and its industry partners. This is an important step in the continuing fight against piracy and the threat it presents to the global economy and consumers throughout the world."


The ESA press release:


The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) today commended U.S. law enforcement agents and prosecutors' work in undertaking the nation's first and largest anti-piracy raid of its kind. The action, code-named "Operation Tangled Web," targeted retailers selling modification chips through the Internet for the Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony game console systems. Law enforcement executed 32 search warrants in more than 20 localities across the country within a 24-hour period.

"Plain and simple, selling and distributing products to illegally bypass game consoles' piracy protections is a crime with real-life consequences. This is not a game; we're talking jail time. Enforcement initiatives of this scope send a clear message to both the public and pirate community that this illegal activity will not be tolerated," said Michael D. Gallagher, president of ESA, the trade association representing U.S. computer and video game publishers. "We commend Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the U.S. Department of Justice, and the participating U.S. Attorneys' offices for targeting individuals and groups selling 'mod-chips' and pirated game software."

Modification chips or "mod-chips" are typically installed in video game console systems to circumvent the technological protection measures and enable the user to play pirated game software. These chips, as well as other circumvention devices, are illegal under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

"As an industry, we protect our intellectual property, encourage our government to crack down on those who break the law, and urge other governments to take similar action against video game pirates. Yearly worldwide piracy costs total over $3 billion and it impinges on businesses and employees who create, develop, and distribute innovative products," said Gallagher. "The ESA will work with federal law enforcement to ensure that those engaged in the illegal trade of circumvention devices are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."


The Nintendo Press Release:


Today U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agents executed 32 federal search warrants in 16 states as part of an investigation into the alleged sale and distribution of illegal modification chips for various video game consoles, including Nintendo's Wii� home video game system. The mod chips designed for the Wii console circumvent the security embedded in the hardware and allow users to play counterfeit Wii software.

This Immigrations and Customs Enforcement investigation represents the largest national enforcement action of its kind targeting video game piracy. Nintendo has worked closely with this branch of the Department of Homeland Security, and fully supports its actions and other investigations currently underway.

"Nintendo and its developers and publishers lost an estimated $762 million in sales in 2006 due to piracy of its products," said Jodi Daugherty, Nintendo of America's senior director of anti-piracy. "Nintendo's anti-piracy team works closely with law enforcement officials worldwide to seize mod chips and counterfeit software. Since April, Nintendo has seized more than 91,000 counterfeit Wii discs globally."



   






Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: HSDEMONZ on August 01, 2007, 07:18:52 PM

Nintendo might be smiling Ear to Ear right now.. but this doesn't change things. It scares some.. but others will see opportunities.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: pirichios on August 01, 2007, 07:28:58 PM

Nintendo might be smiling Ear to Ear right now.. but this doesn't change things. It scares some.. but others will see opportunities.

I concur




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: quarky42 on August 01, 2007, 07:34:38 PM

That's sad that Nintendos Anal-ists are soooo bad at math that they think that those counterfeit discs and/or mod chips would have been direct sales anyway....    Maybe 5% of that figure quoted is realistic.

I've noticed that Anal-ists tend to not live in the real world with everyone else.




Edited by quarky42, 02 August 2007 - 03:35 AM.


Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: hot on August 01, 2007, 07:56:57 PM

just as long as they dont do this

Ill continue to buy them biggrin.gif




Edited by hot, 02 August 2007 - 03:57 AM.


Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: caseyhalone on August 01, 2007, 07:57:47 PM

How do modchips fall in to play if someone wanted to use them for Import games as it is a very big selling point for a certain white Nintendo console chip.

If i had a friend who likes games from japan, is he all the sudden a criminal for playing them in the USA using a modchip?




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: throwingks on August 01, 2007, 08:11:59 PM

QUOTE
undertaking the nation's first and largest
 uhh.gif
While technically correct, wouldn't it also be the smallest?




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: sgr215 on August 01, 2007, 08:12:59 PM

It's a sad day for the USA. I hope the best for anyone affected by this!  sad.gif

On a side note, I'm guessing overseas companies will start offering discreet shipping services to the USA. Wouldn't it be awesome if a software exploit was discovered soon? If only life was that ironic!  laugh.gif




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: Cyberdude93 on August 01, 2007, 08:20:44 PM

How do modchips fall in to play if someone wanted to use them for Import games as it is a very big selling point for a certain white Nintendo console chip.

If i had a friend who likes games from japan, is he all the sudden a criminal for playing them in the USA using a modchip?


The majority of Wii mod chips don't affect region play, the disc itself has to be patched to change the region.  So other than those that patch on the fly, the mod chip won't play your legit NTSC-J games.  Either patching method doesn't work 100% of the time, with many Japanese games remaining unplayable.

US games have the least of problems with being patched, making the mod chips a great help for the PAL market of course.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: juan_2006 on August 01, 2007, 08:21:32 PM

good thing i only do softmods....good thing i live in canada....wait...no eventually this will happen in canada too because USA is like canada's big brother..




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: SxualVnilla on August 01, 2007, 08:21:38 PM

I'm not a genius by any means but let me understand this.  They went after 32 sellers?  32, seems a bit small, and if you ask me I'd say it's quite insignificant.  So what did we all learn over this?  Well we seem to only be able to come up with completely software only modifications that are coded in simple C that a person can distribute the the directions on how to code it over HAM radio.  I don't hear any objections to that?

Or, maybe a console maker, I'm looking at you Nintendo, maybe just maybe, might allow people to actually tinker with MY hardware.  As seeing that I bought it, not you, or a bought a lease on it, or purchased it under the premonition that I cannot use what I purchased the way I see fit, but I used my money that I saved instead of spending my money on a PC, that I CAN USE.

But hey, I like being treated like a child.  Pardon me while I get back to staring at advertisements and accepting the world the way that others want it.  You know, I might go on a rant over religion, but I think you get my drift thus far.






Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: DMAddict on August 01, 2007, 08:26:19 PM

QUOTE
it impinges on businesses and employees who create, develop, and distribute innovative products

If they were so innovative, then people wouldn't have to circumvent them to run homebrew apps like XBMC on them.  mad.gif




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: hot on August 01, 2007, 08:27:23 PM

i think ranting is your religion muhaha.gif




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: 0794 on August 01, 2007, 08:43:20 PM

If they were so innovative, then people wouldn't have to circumvent them to run homebrew apps like XBMC on them.  mad.gif


well said...i love my xbmc and do agree that piracy is bad so the wii and 360 chips obviously have no other current use than piracy, unlike the xbox chips that can be used for linux or homebrew...

i hope that most that will be charged in this raid were actually participating in illegal activity like selling pirated software - that makes me mad that someone would blatantly (and directly) profit off stealing someone else's work.  i have a feeling though, that some who technically weren't doing illegal things will just get tossed in the mix and suffer with the others...




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: Tony42077 on August 01, 2007, 08:47:03 PM

ooooooooooohhh were scared...  tongue.gif  This isn't going to stop people that want to get them.
It sounds like its time for industrious Americans to start setting up puppet companies in Canada and Mexico.
These people (ESA, Nin) aren't as smart as they let on to be when it comes to raiding companies. These places didn't even try to hide anything. Shit, look at the war on drugs... a joke. I don't see mexico cracking down on mod chip resellers, or for that matter, cocaine resellers either.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: Textbook on August 01, 2007, 08:57:36 PM

well said...i love my xbmc and do agree that piracy is bad so the wii and 360 chips obviously have no other current use than piracy, unlike the xbox chips that can be used for linux or homebrew...

i hope that most that will be charged in this raid were actually participating in illegal activity like selling pirated software - that makes me mad that someone would blatantly (and directly) profit off stealing someone else's work.  i have a feeling though, that some who technically weren't doing illegal things will just get tossed in the mix and suffer with the others...


The Xbox 360 modchip (or firmware flash) is the best way to run Linux on the system right now, so there is a legal use for it right there.

Same for the Wii chips, since it allows you to run Gamecube homebrew on the system.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: majik655 on August 01, 2007, 09:03:05 PM

all I see and read in this article is   "blah blah bla bla blah"   (whatever)




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: lostboyz on August 01, 2007, 09:05:00 PM

i dont see how nintendo can say anything. Getting in trouble for selling wii chips for piracy is like getting charged with breaking and entering on a house with the door standing wide open. You need security to make it illegal to break it.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: xlordx on August 01, 2007, 09:18:20 PM

This is  ludacris oh no im a criminal i bought a computer chip lol yea right why don't these companies grow up and mind there own business and stay out of adults business.-xlordx jester.gif




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: gg22mm on August 01, 2007, 09:41:09 PM

So every video game retailer sales memory cards. Since those are chips that can be used to "illegaly circumvent copy protection" (if there's a way to circunvent copy protection legally, please let me know dry.gif ) on the Xbox, aren't them all technically criminals? I demand real justice!

Going just after these particular retailers isn't some sort of discrimination?  mad.gif  I think they should have some sort of defense on their cases based on that simple fact...

Oh and I think that press release writers are retarded and underestimate readers too much...




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: omega2468 on August 01, 2007, 09:54:36 PM

So are they going after the just the sellers or the buyers too?




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: Gman22 on August 01, 2007, 09:55:17 PM

Personally, what has always pissed me off about these companies is that they claim they lost $xxx million in sales due to piracy.  The fact remains though, none of the people who pirated your games/software even thought about buying it legally.  They should be glad that people are actually using their software and telling other people how great it is...word of mouth, best form of advertising...

</rant>

Gman22




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: Sgt_Yates on August 01, 2007, 10:03:13 PM

These raids do make me sick. Now if they are nailing people for selling copies of games, that is one thing. But having the ability to unlock new worlds on your console is not illegal. Look at XBMC for crying out loud. Before softmod was so readily available (and safe), there was no way to do it without a chip. Some still prefer a chip. Not all software manufacturers have a disc replacement program in place either. So playing a copy in your home, on your system should not be illegal. All the chip does is allow access to these things. The chip itself should not be illegal. Its not like we can play on LIVE with a chip anyhow. Not sure how PS2 works.

Dude, the gaming industry just wants more money money money. They are already pushing towards beating out the movie industry, but those profits are not enough for them. It is like Wal-Mart, always looking for a way to make even more pennies on the dollar.

They treat these chip retailers like drug trafficers (sp?). It is our console. We should be able to adjust or modify them in the method of our choosing. They already have the online checks and balances in place, so why are they so concerned with what we are doing while offline. Just let us sell and use our chips in peace please!

Sorry for any legit retailers busted in that raid... uhh.gif




Edited by Sgt_Yates, 02 August 2007 - 06:03 AM.


Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: metalgear1 on August 01, 2007, 10:09:59 PM

I thought it was Against the law to sell the chips PRE flashed?
any mod chip I have ever got was blank, I had to find and then load the proper "software" for it run right, without this it's just a useless chip and so how could I be held accountable for what others do to it?
Am I wrong here did I miss something?





Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: miggidy on August 01, 2007, 11:02:41 PM

Wow Nintendo and their small man complex.

When I first heard the news, I knew Nintendo had a hand in the raids.
They are pittbulls when it comes to piracy.
It's funny how laid back M$'s statement was in contrast to Nintendo's. And $ony didn't even bother releasing a statement laugh.gif

Good luck Nintendo!
You've decided to decapitate the beast from the get go.
Some how I get the feeling that this will back fire on the house that built the Wii.
By no means does this mean that mod chip use is illegal, this is just a start of a long legal battle.




I think it's funny how Nintendo continues to ignore Southeast Asia, the cradle of piracy.
Is it because Nintendo understands that piracy actually brings in $'s in those nations? wink.gif




Edited by miggidy, 02 August 2007 - 07:03 AM.


Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: macwest on August 01, 2007, 11:23:30 PM

Leave it to our goverment and I want to know who pissed on nintendos cheerios.

just a thought..if enough of us stop buying games, systems and accesories for 1 month it may effect their pocket books enought where the companies might just think twice before upsetting their base buyers again.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: Slag Bag on August 02, 2007, 01:51:55 AM

come on you guys are so full of shit. Homebrew stuff my ass, you really want to play homebrew use your PC. There is only 1 reason and 1 only for using mod chips. Get off your high horses and quit worrying if you are next. The people selling them are very aware of the risk, so are those that buy and use them. You all sound like the perverts on Dateline claiming they weren't really going to do anything with the teenager.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: bucko on August 02, 2007, 02:07:31 AM

depressing or what, seems now they have moved on from Bit Torrent to Mod Chip sellers.

Fair enough if they are blatant pirates that is a no, no. But selling mod chips is nothing wrong with that.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: Twister22 on August 02, 2007, 03:41:13 AM

come on you guys are so full of shit. Homebrew stuff my ass, you really want to play homebrew use your PC. There is only 1 reason and 1 only for using mod chips. Get off your high horses and quit worrying if you are next. The people selling them are very aware of the risk, so are those that buy and use them. You all sound like the perverts on Dateline claiming they weren't really going to do anything with the teenager.



Shut you pie-hole, i have been running XBMC/XBMP on my xbox for 4-5years now. it�s boots right to it.
I even have one in my bedroom to, I havent played a singel game on it sine i descovered XBMP




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: metalgear1 on August 02, 2007, 04:04:02 AM

come on you guys are so full of shit. Homebrew stuff my ass, you really want to play homebrew use your PC. There is only 1 reason and 1 only for using mod chips. Get off your high horses and quit worrying if you are next. The people selling them are very aware of the risk, so are those that buy and use them. You all sound like the perverts on Dateline claiming they weren't really going to do anything with the teenager.




speak for yourself you douche, the only thing in your ridiculous post that has any shred of FACT is perhaps that YOU mod your stuff for 1 reason and one reason only,
I have 3Xboxes, all 3 modded and all 3 running XBMC
they are my media servers used to stream Music, movies,Pictures to the 3 TV sets I have at home,
NONE of my Xboxes have EVER even played a single game, it was literally open the box, install mod chip and XBMC and plug into TV

or you to come up in here all high and mighty, and TRY to paint ALL Modders with the same brush is just retarded,
so please STFU, and go be a Douche somewhere else




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: C o s m o on August 02, 2007, 05:35:04 AM

QUOTE
Illicit devices like the ones targeted today are created with one purpose in mind, subverting copyright protections," Julie L. Myers, assistant secretary of Homeland Security for ICE, said in a release. "These crimes cost legitimate businesses billions of dollars annually and facilitate multiple other layers of criminality, such as smuggling, software piracy and money laundering.
Un-real.  Unreal.  Guru, you're a money launderer? ohmy.gif





Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: KilluminatiStyle on August 02, 2007, 05:40:37 AM

Maybe this is why the TeamModders web site went down rather quickly yesterday? uhh.gif




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: 0794 on August 02, 2007, 05:59:57 AM

The Xbox 360 modchip (or firmware flash) is the best way to run Linux on the system right now, so there is a legal use for it right there.

Same for the Wii chips, since it allows you to run Gamecube homebrew on the system.


hey, good point, thanks for the correction...




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: tylerdurden on August 02, 2007, 06:00:12 AM

Please, don't tell modchip should be legal since it allow us to play our backup copy of the game we bought... This is true you can use it for this but actually, maybe 0.0001% of people who have a modchip use it for this...

Modchip is great for stuff like XBMC...

Modchip is bad for piracy...

but the money they clame to lose is not correct... People would not buy all the games they have a copy for... for 5$ you can buy a game... try it... play 1-2hours and finally, you don't like it... you've lost 5$... no big deal!!

I'm quite ambiguous about modchip as you can see...




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: sownow on August 02, 2007, 06:03:47 AM

Anyone know yet who was hit?

I know that these 4 sites are now in accessable and in the case of norcal I know it was working yesterday morning then that afternoon it was gone.

http://www.teammodders.com/ (http://www.teammodders.com/)
http://www.team-xecuter.com/ (http://www.team-xecuter.com/)
http://norcalmods.com (http://norcalmods.com/)
http://otbmods.com (http://otbmods.com/)

pesonally I think they are FoS ...

First both the Dept of Homeland Security and the DMCA shouldnt exist.

Second the "Losses" that the industry claims are bunk most people I know that have modchips of any kind wouldnt buy many games anyway. Heck I have a total of 9 games for the PS2 and have had it since release

Personally i only have the xbox modded and that is primairly for XBMC. I really dont play games on it much only once in a while when the mood strikes and I find a decent game on clearance for 5 to 10 bucks.




Edited by sownow, 02 August 2007 - 02:15 PM.


Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: 0794 on August 02, 2007, 06:06:37 AM

come on you guys are so full of shit. Homebrew stuff my ass, you really want to play homebrew use your PC. There is only 1 reason and 1 only for using mod chips. Get off your high horses and quit worrying if you are next. The people selling them are very aware of the risk, so are those that buy and use them. You all sound like the perverts on Dateline claiming they weren't really going to do anything with the teenager.


you are actually quite short-sighted in your assumption that modchips are only used for piracy.  maybe that is true in the circles that you usually travel in but here at x-scene we primarily appreciate the truly creative and innovative uses of modchips for the many systems to include linux or homebrew like XBMC.  also, blatantly inflammatory and accusatory remarks here are not welcome.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: sabbath_dude on August 02, 2007, 06:18:45 AM

Just to backup what 0794 way saying CLICKY.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: omega2468 on August 02, 2007, 07:08:12 AM

So are they only going after the sellers or also the buyers?




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: brocher on August 02, 2007, 07:19:10 AM

The Xbox 360 modchip (or firmware flash) is the best way to run Linux on the system right now, so there is a legal use for it right there.

Same for the Wii chips, since it allows you to run Gamecube homebrew on the system.


Unfortunately, under the DMCA even if the chip you're selling has legal uses, if it bypasses the protection then it's against the law. I don't know if they can arrest photocopier salesman or VCR/DVD-Recorders. It's a stupid law, full of contradictions, but there it is.




Edited by brocher, 02 August 2007 - 03:20 PM.


Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: 1080p or bust on August 02, 2007, 07:43:11 AM

just as long as they dont do this

Ill continue to buy them biggrin.gif


If that is what they are using to "scare" everyone out of not downloading music..I think that they have to try a more realistic PSA because that is just rediculous




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: Eksyte on August 02, 2007, 09:02:47 AM

This is just a flexing of muscle for M$.

The original XBox is dead. Sure, there are still stores that carry XBox games, but M$ made their money when the retailers (WAl-Mart, GameStop, etc) bought the games. The 360 is what's making them profit right now, and since circumventing the 360's security isn't typically done through chips, these raids will do little (if anything) to preserve their profits. (Same thing with the PSP. Odd how that wasn't mentioned.)

Essentially, they're just cheering on the ESA so they look like they're being proactive in the fight against piracy. ("We WILL get you!!!!11")

Nintendo has room to speak on this since chips are the primary method of circumventing the Wii's security, and since the Wii seems to be getting the brunt of current-system piracy.

Those of you who're whining about the "loss exaggerations" need to pull the panties outta your ass. It's not like these exaggerations hurt anyone. They're comatting the dishonesty of software theft with dishonest statistics. Boo-fucking-hoo. You're not gonna get arrested because they bumped the numbers up. You might get arrested for having pirate games, but how is that THEIR fault? rolleyes.gif




Edited by Eksyte, 02 August 2007 - 05:08 PM.


Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: asnagrim on August 02, 2007, 09:07:28 AM

If i was in the U.S i would be lobbying for fairer laws in relation to modchips.
In Australia, the law basically states that if it does something else other than circumvent copy protection (ie homebrew or allowing imports) its legal. Read here for More Info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modchip#Australian_legality) and also Here (http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,20870905-15317,00.html)




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: macwest on August 02, 2007, 10:18:59 AM

come on you guys are so full of shit. Homebrew stuff my ass, you really want to play homebrew use your PC. There is only 1 reason and 1 only for using mod chips. Get off your high horses and quit worrying if you are next. The people selling them are very aware of the risk, so are those that buy and use them. You all sound like the perverts on Dateline claiming they weren't really going to do anything with the teenager.



You are full of it. That statement is like saying anyone who buys a gun is buying it just to kill someone.  It is very short sided and the reason we have problems in the first place. A console is nothing more than a dedicated machine in a smaller case. If I wanted to modify my pc to run linux I can and should be allowed to change my console over to linux if I so desire. I bought it. same as I did my pc.

In this case from what I have read and who so far seems to be busted it was not as much chip but that they were loading it with, a bios which is a big No NO. At some poit I believe the chip debate will work its way through the courts and the big guys will lose just like phone companies did with the whole locked to a carrier argument.






Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: BrutalDeathRaver on August 02, 2007, 10:26:21 AM

good thing i got my wii chip yesterday.

biggrin.gif




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: Alkane on August 02, 2007, 11:01:00 AM

speak for yourself you douche, the only thing in your ridiculous post that has any shred of FACT is perhaps that YOU mod your stuff for 1 reason and one reason only,
I have 3Xboxes, all 3 modded and all 3 running XBMC
they are my media servers used to stream Music, movies,Pictures to the 3 TV sets I have at home,
NONE of my Xboxes have EVER even played a single game, it was literally open the box, install mod chip and XBMC and plug into TV

or you to come up in here all high and mighty, and TRY to paint ALL Modders with the same brush is just retarded,
so please STFU, and go be a Douche somewhere else

A software pirate and a homebrew user both generate no money for Microsoft.  In fact, you've caused them to lose money on those machines.  You've caused as much damage as a pirate has.

you are actually quite short-sighted in your assumption that modchips are only used for piracy.  maybe that is true in the circles that you usually travel in but here at x-scene we primarily appreciate the truly creative and innovative uses of modchips for the many systems to include linux or homebrew like XBMC.  also, blatantly inflammatory and accusatory remarks here are not welcome.

It's quite short-sighted to believe mod-chip companies make mod-chips for use with homebrew.  You think Team Xecuter sells mod-chips because of homebrew?  Fact is most people who purchase mod-chips do so with the intention of pirating games.  Mod-chips owe their existence to the piracy market, you my friend enjoy the perks (homebrew).

Seems Team Xecuter is taking some precautions:
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We were sad to discover that many stores were raided yesterday in the USA for selling modchips. Due to all the recent uprise of hacks-out-of-the-box like Wii mods and Pre flashed Xbox mods and pre-flashed 360 consoles we feared this would probably happen.

We feel our mods are shipped in a legal format with Linux pre loaded and any other products we make contain no copyrighted code and no circumvention of copy protection.

However, due to these crazy times we have taken the decision not to supply any linux based modchips (X2 and X3) to any USA stores in future and we will be concentrating on non-modchip products that will benefit and add enjoyment to gaming in general.





Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: pazznoz on August 04, 2007, 10:11:40 PM

Viewing al replies on this topic, all someone can do is accepting everyone has a point. But as a modder for ps2, xbox1, GC i can tell you that most of my clients, if not all... just wanted to play pirate games. myself i only use an xbox as mediaplayer... No one can be sure what makes someone develop, install or buy a modchip......

Just my 2 cents....

cheers pazznoz......




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: disrockerdude on August 07, 2007, 03:22:49 AM

mann this sucks so much... i have a quick question though... if i buy a duo x modchip now is it still legal as long as it comes with the cromwell bios? reason im asking is because i misflashed my tsop (dont ask) sleep.gif and seems to me a modchip is the only way to fix it. i do play xbox games but only the games that i cant play in the 360 ( not backward compatible) and they are the originals. i use my xbox mainly for xbmc as a mediaserver and i own an original non-modded xbox. i was gonna buy a modchip from the lllamma but then i saw this.




Title: Microsoft, ESA and Nintendo Press Release on U.S. 'ModChip' Raids
Post by: H4L0G33K on May 14, 2009, 03:34:35 PM

Has there been many updates about this? these poor guys must have some news.