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Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: alikaz on January 17, 2004, 12:11:00 PM
is there a god or can science provide us wit an answer that sates otherwise?
how did this universe come into being
were we created by another life form, etc....hve fun ppl, and rember no bashing ne one elses belief, jus expressing your own and providing us wit reasons/proofs suporting it.


This post has been edited by alikaz: Jan 17 2004, 10:57 PM
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: Gonzo_PhD on January 17, 2004, 01:18:00 PM
There has to be...  Who else created those fine-ass women in your sig?  biggrin.gif
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Post by: alikaz on January 17, 2004, 12:30:00 PM
pls dun talk about my future wives like that
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Post by: chief on January 17, 2004, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE (alikaz @ Jan 17 2004, 04:24 PM)
pls dun talk about my future wives like that

lol... they are hot smile.gif

Repeating what i said in the other thread. I believe in a creator... This book has some good evidence from recent scientific discoveries to support it.
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Post by: Zero on January 17, 2004, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE (Gonzo_PhD @ Jan 17 2004, 08:18 PM)
There has to be...  Who else created those fine-ass women in your sig?  biggrin.gif

Their mother and father I would suspect.
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Post by: buckwilliamsca on January 17, 2004, 03:42:00 PM
if there is no God, then there is no point to life. Existance is pointless and we are an accident.

However, life is so complex (like those two ladies in your sig, more curves than you can shake a stick at...) , and so amazingly put together that it seems as if a plan was involved some how....
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Post by: AnThRaX on January 17, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
QUOTE (alikaz @ Jan 17 2004, 03:05 PM)
is there a god or can science provide us wit an answer that sates otherwise?
how did this universe come into being
were we created by another life form, etc....hve fun ppl, and rember no bashing ne one elses belief, jus expressing your own and providing us wit reasons/proofs suporting it.

no god its all bullshit really.
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: Spency234 on January 17, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
I have a feeling if the right people start writing in this thread it's going to get deeep.

Well.. off to get drunk!
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Post by: Juggerbot on January 17, 2004, 04:01:00 PM
*Walks in*
Well what'dya know?

I won't hijack this thread or anything but here are some questions (some unanswerable):


If there is a god, what created him/her/it?

Where did the universe come from how did the first atom or dark matter come to be?

Where do animals go, their the only ones that seem to block out religion completely? Do they go to heaven?

Why can't Jahovas swear? Swear words are merely words, I doubt they existed 700 years ago.

Why is god seen as a white man? Possibly because some white man thought of him? (Christ)


...... I have so many more, but I'll have to limit them.
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: iwinulose on January 17, 2004, 05:11:00 PM
yeah heres some more quesions

If god is real why would he let us get so stupid? ex.1 We drive on a parkway and park on a drive way. ex.1 The man would be in the lead if there wasnt any lead in his shoes

If god is real why doesn he just come down to earth and go "Yo wat up my dogs"?

Since were so stupid God, if he is real, would help us clone animals and he would help us creat new 1s


He isnt real!!

Have a nice day  smile.gif
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Post by: XeroKitsune on January 17, 2004, 05:19:00 PM
*rolls in two cents*
God is a intresting topic.
I belive the current or modern beliefs in god are human constructs. It comes from human's need for purpose and the human desire for of immortality as well as the desire to inflect a amount of control.
What I mean by this, before god consepts were implimented there was not a culturial moral set. It makes for a brutal society<killing, maiming, stealing, etc.>, a god makes one even need to second guess when thier alone, a absolute rule set. It also gives a level of hope, something after death and some greater reason for existing. When humans create something it normaly has a purpose, the theorical reasoning is all things must have been created for a reason as well. To bring a sence of vanity into it many of the religions put a human like leader as the "god" and or "gods". On top of this organized religions, introduces a class system having thouse that are of greater "holy" stature.

Now if by some chance this world was created, what would ever make anyone belive they could find any proof of a creators existance. For all we know our universe as we know it could be a minor subatomic impurity, since all things are relitive.

My belief comes down to, there may be a creator of the world, a god as it may be. I don't belive he has any intrest in me nor the human world. I also belive in manifest destiny <we make our own path> with internal subconscious karma <our own internal morals, memories, instinct, and personalities root make up a personal version of the reward/retrobution>.
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Post by: Fuzzy on January 17, 2004, 05:44:00 PM
*Dont have time to read rest of topic here's my bit*

The universe all came from basically accepted scientific theories (the antimatter+antimatter=matter and space theory). Religion is basically a form of social control. To harnass all of this to one direction, a "god" is used. If people fear "god" they will feel they must follow the religion. Since most religions teach kindness, they obviously will be kind. Over time people have begun to not support "god" as they get lost in their own life and as the religoin fades. Notice the more recent the religion, usually the more followers it has. It's because people feel they don't have time anymore and because since "god" has done nothing so far to our knowledge, they no longer fear him. In short, I'm undecided, but religions are definitely false.

-John the baptist...if he was jewish how did he know to baptize jesus?

-The only people who saw jesus come back were the ones who recorded the religion...interesting.

-Judaism, have we ever actually found a trail of buried bodies leading around in the desert?

-How come all the religions teach kindness but only mention things in the society they came from.

-If the torah is a written history of the jewish religion, and it was given to them early on, where did all the later information come from?

Etc etc etc
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Post by: jesterrace777 on January 17, 2004, 04:50:00 PM
I hope someone closes this thread quick.  These things turn out to be pretty nasty and don't we already have a 50+ page thread on this already?
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Post by: Hoppy on January 17, 2004, 04:53:00 PM
QUOTE (Fuzzy @ Jan 17 2004, 08:44 PM)
Notice the more recent the religion, usually the more followers it has.

Not true.  Christianity is one of the oldest and a third of the world follow it.
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Post by: AnThRaX on January 17, 2004, 04:55:00 PM
QUOTE (Hoppy @ Jan 17 2004, 07:47 PM)
QUOTE (Fuzzy @ Jan 17 2004, 08:44 PM)
Notice the more recent the religion, usually the more followers it has.

Not true.  Christianity is one of the oldest and a third of the world follow it.

Yea it was actually like way before north america was discovered and it was used in I think the UK first
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Post by: AnThRaX on January 17, 2004, 06:03:00 PM
the woman on the left is god
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Post by: iwinulose on January 17, 2004, 06:14:00 PM
accually only 20% of the world follows christianity

not 1/3
(i just did a global history project on 8 different religions) smile.gif
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Post by: GFS on January 17, 2004, 06:16:00 PM
"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
biggrin.gif
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Post by: AnThRaX on January 17, 2004, 06:41:00 PM
QUOTE (D0Gs3gG @ Jan 17 2004, 08:06 PM)
QUOTE (AnThRaX @ Jan 18 2004, 01:49 AM)
QUOTE (Hoppy @ Jan 17 2004, 07:47 PM)
QUOTE (Fuzzy @ Jan 17 2004, 08:44 PM)
Notice the more recent the religion, usually the more followers it has.

Not true.  Christianity is one of the oldest and a third of the world follow it.

Yea it was actually like way before north america was discovered and it was used in I think the UK first

uhh.gif  I hope thats sarcasm I'm reading there!?!

Yes  laugh.gif
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: Juggerbot on January 17, 2004, 07:57:00 PM
This topic is getting full of spam.

Please try to stay on topic and keep your posts intelligent not like this:

QUOTE
yea i dont like god cuz hes all like " i don want them ppl to know I exist so wen they die theyl be like whoa hi i thinked I died! "


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Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: pedro on January 17, 2004, 08:04:00 PM
QUOTE (Hoppy @ Jan 17 2004, 08:37 PM)
QUOTE (iwinulose @ Jan 17 2004, 09:14 PM)
accually only 20% of the world follows christianity

not 1/3
(i just did a global history project on 8 different religions) smile.gif

That would be true if 13% of the worlds Christians were killed within the last 16 months.

Have a look for yourself.

but how many of the people who say they are christians really are?
of that 33% I would say half are just hypocrits.  that what christianity is, a band of hypocrits.
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Post by: Zero on January 17, 2004, 08:33:00 PM
QUOTE (alikaz @ Jan 18 2004, 12:51 AM)
PLEASE I WANNA POINT OUT SOMEHTIN AGAIN, make sure u jus expres ur own belifs and ideas and NOT bash ne one elses, jus provide ur idea wit ur reasons on why  u belive that. u can refrence to wut someone else said and argue but PLEASE keep it clean and CIVIL

http://www.spellcheck.net
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Post by: Juggerbot on January 17, 2004, 08:34:00 PM
QUOTE (Zero @ Jan 18 2004, 04:33 AM)
QUOTE (alikaz @ Jan 18 2004, 12:51 AM)
PLEASE I WANNA POINT OUT SOMEHTIN AGAIN, make sure u jus expres ur own belifs and ideas and NOT bash ne one elses, jus provide ur idea wit ur reasons on why  u belive that. u can refrence to wut someone else said and argue but PLEASE keep it clean and CIVIL

http://www.spellcheck.net

laugh.gif  laugh.gif
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: Cerebro on January 18, 2004, 12:30:00 AM
Damn, I sooo need to get my friend on this thread.

If you don't believe in God now, you would be the time he finished talking to you.

And it's really scary cuz he doesn't even try. He's not like trying to convert anyone, he just tells people why he believe in God and how he came to believe and they're all like whoaaa.

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Post by: nuzzy on January 18, 2004, 04:48:00 AM
I personally don't believe in it.  I think "worshiping a God" comes from the beginning of mankind.  I believe religion was formed or "fine tuned" from primitive worshipping to the skies above.  To me, as people evolved so did religion and having a heaven and a God was sort of people's way of answering their fears/questions about death.
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Post by: chilin_dude on January 18, 2004, 05:04:00 AM
QUOTE (pedro @ Jan 18 2004, 04:04 AM)
that what christianity is, a band of hypocrits.

This is my first read of this topic and allready this offends me. I am a christian,  not a strong christian a normal guy that has some beliefs and it is comments like this that get me very annoyed.... why is there a need to bash religion?
There will never be proof.
I believe in God.
If the next person doesn't then so what? They have that right!
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Post by: Gruce on January 18, 2004, 08:04:00 AM
Here are some brief arguments some people made about this topic:

Think of an old building, how did it get there? Someone built it, even a child knows that. But how can we be sure, we never saw the building being built, but we still know there was a builder. A painting, how did it get there, a painter painted it. What more proof of a painter would you want than a painting?

Then he made some stupid arguments about bananas and stuff.

The other guy (Athiest) was saying:

Everything needs an enviormonet to live in, God doesn't have one.

Other stuff about praying, people doing good/bad acts in the name of god.

Can God create a rock that is so heavy he can not lift it etc.
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Post by: TheMuffinMan on January 18, 2004, 08:05:00 AM
I've got like 7 really long posts in the other alien thread, but i'm too lazy to import, I think it's a rather good explaination as to my thoughts on the subject - being that there is no god/higher being and that things can be explained scientifically
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Post by: TheMuffinMan on January 18, 2004, 09:44:00 AM
Right now i think hiroller has a pretty good explaination, god is not an actual being, but the force of nature, and yes, I agree with him about God was created to explain the unexplainable, and off on my own spin, he's there to fill the void that people need for it.
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Post by: Fuzzy on January 18, 2004, 11:30:00 AM
QUOTE (HiRoll3r @ Jan 18 2004, 12:21 PM)
I agree with Freud that "God" was created to explain the unexplainable (i.e. we see lightning, "Zeus" must be the cause of it). I believe in god, but not as a sentient entity that cares about me or my actions. God is, for lack of a better word, the force of nature.

Yea i posted a similar theory on the first page, i would have given Freud credit had i known it was his theory.
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Post by: gronne on January 18, 2004, 11:54:00 AM
Christians claim(in general) that the world was made about 6000 years ago... Dinosaurs are a bit older, so get real.

As a strong atheist I find it VERY weird how people(in todays society, with the knowledge that comes to it) can believe in a completely abstract "thing". As we today can give pretty good scientific theories of how the world was created.

A person from say Siberia MIGHT never get to know about christianity or other religions, then they won't even get the chance of entering heaven because no-one told for them about it(considering christians say that if you belong to any other religions then hell is where you go, no matter what their religion says).

On the other hand I believe that the illusion of a God might be good for some people, that is, very poor ones. Believing in a God is a weakness, you don't feel you can handle your life and need help, therefore a God comes very much in handy, and your life might actually become a lot better(only because of this illusion), so it's discussable to say that poor people actually NEEDS a God purely to survive, but for the rest of us it's only dangerous. That becomes very obvoius when seeing how religious people with power can act (highly christians as Bush and Blair starting a sick war against what atleast Bush in a subtle way calls the mid-eastern countries for the devil, and USA the God).

What I'm saying is that us more developped coutries must look beyond this 2000 year old fraud, and other religions. We must stop living in a lie.

BTW: about those 33% being christians, I for one can say that I am one of those(but I'm on my way of leaving the Swedish church). And ALL of my friends are baptized(and yes I have loads of friends), but NONE of them believes in God whatsoever. So I guess the numbers are fake. Maybe it's just Sweden but we are a very secularized country yet it's such a tradition to baptize we always do it. I won't baptize my kids for sure.
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Post by: Cerebro on January 18, 2004, 12:06:00 PM
If you have the thought of God in your head, then He must exist somewhere. I mean even if your thought is that He isn't real, well you're still thinking of Him right? You can't say something isn't real unless the thought of it exists.

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Post by: gronne on January 18, 2004, 12:15:00 PM
QUOTE (Cerebro @ Jan 18 2004, 08:06 PM)
If you have the thought of God in your head, then He must exist somewhere. I mean even if your thought is that He isn't real, well you're still thinking of Him right? You can't say something isn't real unless the thought of it exists.

blink.gif

And that goes for one of the most stupid things I've ever heard/read. And I just thought about a 20 feet tall flying pink elephant jacking off.... Well the thought's there.. So I guess it must exist biggrin.gif
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Post by: Cerebro on January 18, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
QUOTE (gronne @ Jan 18 2004, 08:15 PM)
QUOTE (Cerebro @ Jan 18 2004, 08:06 PM)
If you have the thought of God in your head, then He must exist somewhere. I mean even if your thought is that He isn't real, well you're still thinking of Him right? You can't say something isn't real unless the thought of it exists.

blink.gif

And that goes for one of the most stupid things I've ever heard/read. And I just thought about a 20 feet tall flying pink elephant jacking off.... Well the thought's there.. So I guess it must exist biggrin.gif

It does.

That pink elephant jacking off is also known as gronne.

What a coincidence!
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Post by: lordvader129 on January 18, 2004, 12:28:00 PM
i have 2 somewhat conflicting theories on god

1: there is no "God" as in creator, power in heaven and so forth, rather nature itself has a will of its own and is perceived as god

2: there is a "creator god" however his reality (heaven) is totally separate from ours and nothing can cross over because of the rules he set in this universe, he cant break them without destroying the universe, he has manipulative control over nature, but thats about it, no angels come to earth, no burning bushes, no speaking to man

certain things such as noah and the flood falls under his control of nature, he couldnt just snap his fingers and make all the sinners vanish (destruction of matter and energy) so he had to make it rain

well thats about all i got right now
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Post by: ocojaa on January 18, 2004, 12:54:00 PM
QUOTE (gronne @ Jan 18 2004, 02:54 PM)
ALL of my friends are baptized(and yes I have loads of friends), but NONE of them believes in God whatsoever. So I guess the numbers are fake. Maybe it's just Sweden but we are a very secularized country yet it's such a tradition to baptize we always do it. I won't baptize my kids for sure.

I don't understand why anyone would be baptized if they don't believe in God.
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Post by: HSDEMONZ on January 18, 2004, 12:58:00 PM
QUOTE
I don't understand why anyone would be baptized if they don't believe in God


Free bath by a stranger. smile.gif
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Post by: TheMuffinMan on January 18, 2004, 01:56:00 PM
That explains everything

bathes from strangers, i now see the world in a different light  laugh.gif
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Post by: jujupinto85 on January 18, 2004, 02:56:00 PM
proving God with easy use of the faculty of the mind

20 Arguments to prove God

some other randomness
belief in God who doesnt interact with the world is called Deism (our founding fathers USA were desists), which can be disproved by the fact is that if God were God and that he is perfect, because the concept of God is perfect (degrees of Perfection) then God would be constantly mainting the universe in balance, which it is because nature is Orderly, perfect order, the reason why everything works is cuz of God, and he wills it, if God didnt interact with the world in some slight way, then it wouldnt exists

i beleive many of the atheist here are actually agnostics, look it up and agree w/ me  wink.gif

religion and God are different concepts, not all religions are true, and there can only logically be one God, as u cant have multiple Gods because it wouldnt meet (degress of Perfection)

the bible says God created the universe in 7 days. whether or not it is true, is called a msytery, Moses did have liteary lisence as well  wink.gif  but moreover, those 7 days could have been like a million years. it all depends on the frame of refrence ( think physics and the speed of light) God is infinite, neverending, and a minute to him could be a year to us

who can say they are a true atheist when they use experessions like OMG!! or even use anythign with God in it. just  proves that they are moronic (jk jk), or not open to something that they dont understand.

we may have evolved from monkeys...but the fact remains we have souls and that somewhere along the timeline God enscribed it into our beings. no one can say that the one they love is just a mound of chemicals and biology, because humans have soul and are so much more then just primordial primates.

a person who follows a religion, any for that matter is only as good as the persons will and how far he wants to beleive and how much effort he wants to put in.

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Post by: D0Gs3gG on January 18, 2004, 03:11:00 PM
QUOTE (jujupinto85 @ Jan 18 2004, 10:56 PM)
proving God with easy use of the faculty of the mind

20 Blah blah

some other randomness

Sheep! Baaaaaaaaaaa
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Post by: jujupinto85 on January 18, 2004, 03:14:00 PM
ok this is trickey because i dont want to get my religion get in the way or have a biased idea of what a soul is, or what exists

first off, beleive in God or at least proving that "God" exists does not require or have nething to do w/ the "soul"

soul.. its liek the life force of a person..wut is the difference between a dead person and a live person? both bodies are warm and but one does not function... the life is out of him... that life, we should say could be is in all creatures but is specaill to humans

think, like the japanese chi it engulfs your body and makes it work, kinda like gas or electricty to a car.

but explaing the soul to athists is hard, because... they dont beleive in anything spirtual

u decide what u want to beleive but beleive in God in teh first step and its soo easy...
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Post by: gronne on January 19, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
QUOTE (ocojaa @ Jan 18 2004, 08:54 PM)
QUOTE (gronne @ Jan 18 2004, 02:54 PM)
ALL of my friends are baptized(and yes I have loads of friends), but NONE of them believes in God whatsoever. So I guess the numbers are fake. Maybe it's just Sweden but we are a very secularized country yet it's such a tradition to baptize we always do it. I won't baptize my kids for sure.

I don't understand why anyone would be baptized if they don't believe in God.

Well, as I said it's such a tradition. I personally think it's stupid since none of my parents are christian, but people want to symbolically show a way that a life is born, I guess.
It's like ghosts and other supernatural stuffs, we tend to need to believe in the occult, because of perhaps boredom or lack of excitement in life.
I personally believe religions come from a lot of reasons, but one would be that people wondered questions we still wonder about, like is there an end to the universe, or what happens when we die, and other fundamental questions.
Since they obviously couldn't come up with any answers(which we mostly can't now either, not about the part of death at least) what would be easier than saying that someone else created it. I, earlier at least, used to watch occult series such as X-files and similar, and thought they were very exciting and everything. So I believe we all need to have some supernatural thoughts in contrast to our otherwise dull lives, I mean look at the Lord of the rings-films, everyone went nuts, dressing up like orches and stuffs(really funny if you ask me, albeit a bit too much perhaps). Almost everyone is afraid of the death, except from many religious people who knows that death is nothing dangerous, since it'll end up nice anyways. Eventhough I need the supernatural, I don't need to be naive.

I could enter a church only to watch the beautiful interior. I mean how could something so beautiful lie to you?

I suppose less Swedes will baptize in the future though since it's getting further away from the people.
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Post by: EmperorPsiblade on January 19, 2004, 01:11:00 PM
there is no god......   we were created by the Forerunners..   heh heh heh....  wink.gif
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Post by: HSDEMONZ on January 19, 2004, 01:39:00 PM
user posted image
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Post by: iwinulose on January 19, 2004, 01:50:00 PM
QUOTE (Hoppy @ Jan 17 2004, 09:37 PM)
QUOTE (iwinulose @ Jan 17 2004, 09:14 PM)
accually only 20% of the world follows christianity

not 1/3
(i just did a global history project on 8 different religions) smile.gif

That would be true if 13% of the worlds Christians were killed within the last 16 months.

Have a look for yourself.

old i no but:

Judaism is left out of that chart

please think of all the poor Jews out there  sad.gif

lol  smile.gif
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Post by: gronne on January 19, 2004, 01:53:00 PM
The one thing I REALLY do like about religions though(except from perhaps jews(considering they're not allowed to draw people) is the art it's provided to the world.. A lot of it is REALLY beautiful. I love walking in churches. All I know is that apparently God loves people who pirate stuff from companies(You are not allowed to steal, doesn't it says something like that). I bet you break a lot of them. But of course, God forgives you and you know it, so you can go on and on and on with stealing. I personally tend to feel that companies steal from us, not many games are worth 70$, but then again one is free to buy.
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Post by: Hoppy on January 19, 2004, 02:03:00 PM
QUOTE (iwinulose @ Jan 19 2004, 04:50 PM)
QUOTE (Hoppy @ Jan 17 2004, 09:37 PM)
QUOTE (iwinulose @ Jan 17 2004, 09:14 PM)
accually only 20% of the world follows christianity

not 1/3
(i just did a global history project on 8 different religions) smile.gif

That would be true if 13% of the worlds Christians were killed within the last 16 months.

Have a look for yourself.

old i no but:

Judaism is left out of that chart

please think of all the poor Jews out there  sad.gif

lol  smile.gif

Judaism (and several other religions listed on the left of the page)fall under other.  No one forgot the jews.  And the survey was done in 2002.  Hardly "Old".

*edit*
1 year and 4 moths old to be more precise.
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Post by: Juggerbot on January 19, 2004, 03:34:00 PM
The whole thing about god being eternal is really, REALLY stupid.
How could something come out of nothing?

It's just not logical.
I believe the fact that antimatter + antimatter = matter, or matter + antimatter = more antimatter (space)
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Post by: lordvader129 on January 19, 2004, 03:52:00 PM
antimatter + matter = a whole helluva lot of energy
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Post by: Hoppy on January 19, 2004, 03:55:00 PM
QUOTE (Juggerbot @ Jan 19 2004, 06:34 PM)
How could something come out of nothing?

It's just not logical.

The same thinking can be applied to the big bang.  If there was nothing around, what caused the explosion?
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Post by: Fuzzy on January 19, 2004, 04:52:00 PM
-3X-3=9 negative matterXnegative matter=Positive matter
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Post by: Neg.Nance on January 19, 2004, 09:22:00 PM
Im interested to know what happens when you die, I dont have a real opinion on a "god" but I think any organized religion is a bunch of bull crap, to be honest I dont care when I die, because you can excape it and in the large picture no one means anything, everyone that is alive now is going to be dead within the next 130 years, nothing you do matters, you are only ~1.53846153 x 10^-8 % for the worlds population, life is so useless, there is no point, then the point of life just might be abiout the level of human comprehension,  all i have to say is

WTF?!?!
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Post by: lordvader129 on January 19, 2004, 10:06:00 PM
i think when you die your last seconds seem to take longer, so you never actually reach the moment of your death in your mind, and your subconscious takes over, and whatever you subconsciously believe happens when you die is what fills those last eternal seconds of life

you think yuo go to heaven, thats what you see, and so forth
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Post by: Fuzzy on January 20, 2004, 12:14:00 PM
Yea, when you just die, that's it man...game over...
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Post by: D0Gs3gG on January 20, 2004, 03:20:00 PM
Sleep paralysis sucks young donkey testicles! Nasty! mad.gif
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Post by: alikaz on January 20, 2004, 03:59:00 PM
wuts sleep paralysis?
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Post by: gto65l on January 20, 2004, 09:15:00 PM
In order to argue this correctly, we need to make the distinction between a religious god and the possiblility of a god being.  This matter has been debated many times, here are some good ones.  Note, all of these are refering to a logical god, not a religious one.

St. Anselm:
By definition God is the greatest being which can be thought.  So nothing greater can be thought.  So God must contain the attribute of existance.  For if God did not contain existence then something greater could be thought and therefore it would not be God.  So therefore God must exist or God would not be God.

Descartes:
Man's mind cannot perceive that which infinite.  However man does have the idea of infinity.  The only thing that is infinite is God.  So basically, God branded the innate idea of infinity upon mans mind as would a craftsman upon his work.  This goes right with what you were saying Cerebro.


God may exist, but he may not know that man exists.  This is where the religious God comes in.  There are many more, but I think that is enough for now.
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: xenx on January 20, 2004, 11:13:00 PM
I think that when you die its probably something like eternal sleep. Do you know you exist when you are asleep? I think death is something like this. Complete non-existence.

I am a hard core non-believer, and it amazes me that so many people believe in god.  Especially people who believe the bible is the word of god. I mean have you actually read this thing? It says so many ridiculus things.  For example:

Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

Here is a gem:
Deuteronomy 22:20-1
If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house.

Not to mention the loads of contradictions. Oh well, if you want to believe a book written by a bunch of guys in sandals 2000 years ago thats your choice.  I challenge anyone who thinks religion is beneficial to think about what causes all the problems in the world today. Why did sept 11th happen? Religion. Why is there terrorism? Religion. Why is Bush destroying the environment? Because he believes god gave humans the world to with as we please. It all comes back to religion.

I don't mean to be condescending or anything thats just my 2 cents. wink.gif
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Post by: HiRoll3r on January 20, 2004, 11:18:00 PM
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Why did sept 11th happen? Religion. Why is there terrorism? Religion. Why is Bush destroying the environment? Because he believes god gave humans the world to with as we please. It all comes back to religion.

Word. Couldn't agree more. It's sad how many horrible things have been done in the name of religion.
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Post by: Hoppy on January 20, 2004, 11:29:00 PM
QUOTE (xenx @ Jan 21 2004, 02:13 AM)
Why did sept 11th happen? Religion. Why is there terrorism? Religion.

You forgot to note that those are aspects of MUSLIM religion.  

Not that the Muslim religion is bad or wrong, just that there are people that have taken it and twisted it.
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Post by: Zero on January 20, 2004, 11:32:00 PM
Who knows if there is an afterlife.  No one actualy knows what dreams are either so we will just have to wait and see.
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Post by: Stuff Is Cool on January 21, 2004, 01:48:00 PM
First of all there isn't a god. Ask yourself this, what has god ever done for you?Even if you think he has there could be many other factors affecting this.

As for the thing about choice, its like the matrix, choice is irrelevant. Time is linear, everything happens only once. Even if you think you have a choice, you don't, you were meant to do what you think you chose. Even if you take back something you did, you were meant to take that back.

Overall, there is no god, theres some manager, because wat's outside our universe? What was there before? Imagine non-existence. I didn't sleep one night because I was thinking about this shit.
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Post by: HiRoll3r on January 21, 2004, 04:17:00 PM
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You forgot to note that those are aspects of MUSLIM religion.

Not that the Muslim religion is bad or wrong, just that there are people that have taken it and twisted it.


What about the Christian terrorists, such as Koresh, McVeigh, Eric Rudolph (and other abortion clinic bombers)? These people were driven to kill, though on a much smaller scale, by the same fundamentalist religious convictions that caused 9/11. I don't care if they're black, white, brown, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, or Jewish. These people were terrorists.

Not that the Christian religion is bad or wrong, just that there are people that have taken it and twisted it.
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Post by: j0ey on January 21, 2004, 04:19:00 PM
well of course there is a GOD(some type)...its only way to explain existence (for now)...

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Time is linear, everything happens only once.


I guess you know nothing about string theory...Einstein even proved you can travel in time, but of course that would invlove travling the speed of light... tongue.gif
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Post by: alikaz on March 15, 2004, 07:28:00 AM
^^^ not travel IN time, all u can do is travel FASTER in time, like ucan go ahead in time, but technically u dunt go ahead in time, u travel so fast that YOU slow down, while the world around you goes at normal speed, and when u are done goinf really fast in a circle around the world wut ends up happin is that u jus went slowly while the whole world went at normal speed, and no you CANNOT travel back in time, and wht good is it to travel forward in time, serves no real purpose in life other than to preserve soemthin or jus for the hell of it, and travellin forward in time willl not give u multiple time lines
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Post by: Master-Chief on March 15, 2004, 12:32:00 PM
I call God, Allah. Thats what Muslims call him.  wink.gif
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Post by: Waffle on March 15, 2004, 09:39:00 PM
i don't know... and maybe noone ever will
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: AkumAPRIME on March 17, 2004, 09:22:00 PM
No, there is no God. That doesn't mean that we weren't created by some alien or other force.  It would be ignorant to rule out any higher beings. It just means that the God that the three major Judeo Christian sects, and the majority of other "God"S are super fake

ehb
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Post by: gronne on March 18, 2004, 04:18:00 PM
QUOTE (alikaz @ Mar 15 2004, 03:28 PM)
^^^ not travel IN time, all u can do is travel FASTER in time, like ucan go ahead in time, but technically u dunt go ahead in time, u travel so fast that YOU slow down, while the world around you goes at normal speed, and when u are done goinf really fast in a circle around the world wut ends up happin is that u jus went slowly while the whole world went at normal speed, and no you CANNOT travel back in time, and wht good is it to travel forward in time, serves no real purpose in life other than to preserve soemthin or jus for the hell of it, and travellin forward in time willl not give u multiple time lines

No, Einsteins theory was about travelling in time actually. If you travel in space you'll be a little "younger" than the rest, I suppose that's what you meant. I can't remember how the theory was built up, all I remember is that it was complex  rolleyes.gif It's about bending time in the dimensions if I remember correctly. The thing is that scientists as of lately are starting to believe in this theory. Einstein was pretty amazing. It's like with him as with Darwin, at first people didn't believe in their theories, but a hundred years later(for Darwin) it's being proven(I refer to Darwin here obviously, since he had some parts written in "The origin of species" that were proved like a couple of years ago. The scientists were very sceptic, but had to change their minds).

Darwin is the greatest hero I know of. Denying his theory is ridiculous. We have lived more than 6000 years people, stop denying.
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Post by: SKoT on March 18, 2004, 11:12:00 PM
QUOTE (guitardork864 @ Mar 19 2004, 06:18 AM)
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We have lived more than 6000 years people, stop denying.

Godammit some fuckwadding bitchass piece of shit licking dog crap that takes the word of a few people and applies it to the whole.  not all christians are closed minded dickwads and are retards.  i hope you get your ass run over because its ignorant people like you that make other people hate christians.  go fuck yourself cuntwad.

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Why did sept 11th happen? Religion. Why is there terrorism? Religion. Why is Bush destroying the environment? Because he believes god gave humans the world to with as we please. It all comes back to religion.

sure you could blame that on the human interpretation of religion, but remember.  All humans sin/make mistakes.  Does that make it God's fault? no.  according to christianity, god gave man free will.  that means we can sin, so that means although there is religion, it is run by men.  so yes religious institutions can make mistakes, but that doesn't mean that the ideals and morals that are the founding corner-stones of the religion complete and utter bullshit.

all the people that bash religion need to take a much closer look at it first.

*checks off name for list of hell*

seriously, how childish of a post is this....
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Post by: gronne on March 20, 2004, 02:29:00 AM
QUOTE (guitardork864 @ Mar 19 2004, 06:18 AM)
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We have lived more than 6000 years people, stop denying.

Godammit some fuckwadding bitchass piece of shit licking dog crap that takes the word of a few people and applies it to the whole.  not all christians are closed minded dickwads and are retards.  i hope you get your ass run over because its ignorant people like you that make other people hate christians.  go fuck yourself cuntwad.

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Why did sept 11th happen? Religion. Why is there terrorism? Religion. Why is Bush destroying the environment? Because he believes god gave humans the world to with as we please. It all comes back to religion.

sure you could blame that on the human interpretation of religion, but remember.  All humans sin/make mistakes.  Does that make it God's fault? no.  according to christianity, god gave man free will.  that means we can sin, so that means although there is religion, it is run by men.  so yes religious institutions can make mistakes, but that doesn't mean that the ideals and morals that are the founding corner-stones of the religion complete and utter bullshit.

all the people that bash religion need to take a much closer look at it first.

Well, I never said all christians believe it's only about 6000 years old, but most do. And no matter some don't think so, I believe that's why all religions fail. I don't think Jesus would accept all the different ways the christianity has taken. You don't even believe in all the same words as an orthodox or a catholic if you're from the protestant church. Some people take the bible by the word, and some interpret it as they like, yet all of you think you'll come to the same God. I mean if it's going to work you all will have to believe in the exact words written in the bible, or you're a hypocrite IMO. You're slaves under a book written by other hypocrites.

You're a good example of the difference between christians. In know a guy that would NEVER EVER use cursewords since it's words of the devil. But you can just write "Godammit some fuckwadding bitchass piece of shit licking dog crap" as it's nothing. He believes in the bible by the word, guess you don't. You curse more than I do being an atheist, says a lot.
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Post by: prplehz on March 20, 2004, 09:05:00 AM
Well all I can say is I want my tombstone to look like a galaga screen with GAME OVER in big letters accross the front, and my best galaga score ever at top where it says highscore.. As for there being a god, nah I doubt it and even if there is he/she sure wouldn't think to highly of any of the religeons that us earthlings follow. As the ole addige goes. If god made everybody who made god... beerchug.gif
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Post by: thomes08 on March 21, 2004, 08:48:00 PM
since i'm not gullible i'm gonna have to go with a pretty strong NO
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Post by: gronne on April 02, 2004, 06:38:00 AM
Jesus didn't die before he existed. B.C= Before Christ    A.D= Anno Domini (don't know what it stands for but it's after christ was born anyways).

What does it matter whether the A-hole suffered or not? People get murdered by american soldiers everyday. Jesus could have fled free but chose to get killed because he wanted his believes to be remembered and taken more seriously, just like Sokrates. And you complain that he suffered!!! Just like the americans getting tortured in Iraq. You get upset about americans being tortured, but you were pro the war?? THAT'S WHAT WAR IS ALL ABOUT!!! Degradation is very natural in wars, and you get upset about it??  I bet the americans raped a lot of women in Iraq during the war, because wars are sick, and soldiers get twisted by killing people whereas degradation is very common.
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: gronne on April 04, 2004, 05:25:00 AM
I haven't bashed anybody, I just think he seemed to be an asshole that's all. I'm entitled to think whatever I want. Had I said Muhammed the prophet was nice(which I think he seemed to be, though a bit imaginative, yet a lot better than christ) you'd get pissed for that. Christ was a heavily disturbed person, the idiot thought he was the son of an abstract God (Yeah, he never fully claimed it, but that's what he wanted the apostles to think).

How nice for you Spency, so you don't go to church anymore, but I guess that when you're about to die you'll repent to God you didn't go to church and you'll be good to go to heaven. That's what many do, which I think is more fucked up than believing in God all of your life. I don't especially bash religious people, but I do bash the religions in itself(ALL religions).
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Post by: notit on April 04, 2004, 05:34:00 AM
First of all i believe that Jesus Christ as a man was probably a cool guy. More like a Bhudist then any thing else. I mean the whole passive resisitance and all. I think that the people that ruin Christianity are the Christians. Me personaly I am Agnostic. I believe In a higher power its just the details that bother me.  I grew up Catholic, but I have managed to recover and lead a somewhat normal life.  Lol. No offense to Catholics but I personaly had problems with all of those rituals and rules.  Most people just recite the words in church and never really give it much thought.  The one thread that goes through most religions is a common one. Treat others like you would want to be treated. Yes the secret to world peace really is that simple.

What I hate is this. Its twisting the words one says to suit your needs. Most religions do this. Actually most Mass groupigs of humans do this. Lemmings. They latch on to somehing no matter if it is right or wrong and they run with it. It does no matter if it is Micro$oft or th U$A. A few months ago. I made a peace sign and this guy comes over and asks me if I am a "peacenick". I said I believed in peace. He then proceeded to say how people like me make him sick. How i wanted "Our troops" to die. Now where in the world did he get and idea like this.  If I broke down and took his side and I got my wish the war would still go on and the more people would die.  On the other hand if I got my wish and peace broke out no one else would get killed.  BTW I support and end to the war instead of just peace.

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Post by: gronne on April 04, 2004, 05:47:00 AM
Well, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you saying "Treat others like you would want to be treated". When I say to people that's what it's all about they claim I'm a christian(at least christians claim I am), and OK it's christian, but it's also VERY logic. Sadly enough religions don't apply to this themselves.
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Post by: gronne on April 04, 2004, 05:48:00 AM
Well, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you saying "Treat others like you would want to be treated". When I say to people that's what it's all about they claim I'm a christian(at least christians claim I am), and OK it's christian, but it's also VERY logic. Sadly enough religions don't apply to this themselves.
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Post by: tankertux on April 04, 2004, 03:38:00 PM
"God... Please deliver me from your believers"

This best sums up what I think.  I believe in God, I believe in Jesus.  I think God created something (be it the Universe or larger or whatever) which lead to life springing from the primordial seas of this planet (be it coincidental or not).  I don't think that there is a place that God made specifically for us to burn and suffer in torment for all eternity because with respect to Him, we are nothing, bacteria, zilch.  

The sum of our existance and the effect we have on ANYTHING is insignificant.  I don't profess to believe in any one religion, because God favors no person, only religions do that.  Call me naive, but I believe that all people are good to a reasonable degree, and evil and badness are the result of either 1) Overdeveloped sense of self or 2) Self-Preservation.  

I believe that orthodox, organized religion is the most ridiculous, most pretentious concept ever.  Sure, the 10 commandments are great guidelines to live by, but some mysterious father figure is not going to point you out and send you to be punished forever if you break these rules.

If you must summarize my beliefs, I believe in the "Grand Clockmaker" theory.  That God created everything and set it motion to observe, to watch for satisfaction or even entertainment.  I believe he does play a part in our lives, helping us, putting us in our place, to his satisfaction (our karma).  Eh, well, enough rambling, I gotta piss.
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Post by: devlkore on April 04, 2004, 08:41:00 PM
Ok, I haven't read all the posts (too many for after 4am).

Anyway, I don't believe in god, but I do believe in reincarnation and other such STufF that science can't explain.

I have memories from previous lives, so for me to not believe in reincarnation would make as much sense as me not believing that I'm typing out this post.

As for the questions about where did it all come from (I mean EVERYTHING), well, there's always the possibility that whether god or not, the origins of existence are so far beyond human comprehension that we'll just ask ourselves that forever.

In science (lesson) a few years ago, we were talking about how the universe came into being and how there have been potentially infinite big bangs and will continue to be forever, because the universe (might) contracts after it stops expanding (like elastic) and eventually implodes which causes another big bang, but at the point in time when everything in the universe, including time is all together, the new universe that is created will have different physics and rules than the universe we live in.

I don't know if I believe that, but whether I do or not, it's kind of worthless talking about, because no one can ever disprove it.

LA!

The other thing I used to ask myself when I was younger was what's at the edge of the universe, ie, where does it end, and what's after that?

Again, I think the answer is so profoundly beyond anything we are mentally or physically capable of even coming close to understanding.

In the end, what's the point in thinking about all this religious crap, just be good to everyone and never do something which you feel is wrong, relax and the world will be a better place. So smoke some weed, play StepManiaX and enjoy life instead of questioning it.
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Post by: wireless g on April 04, 2004, 10:33:00 PM
is there a god ?



no



is their a creator ?



yes





and it's name is evolution
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Post by: lookformeb on April 05, 2004, 01:37:00 AM
QUOTE (wireless g @ Apr 4 2004, 11:33 PM)
is there a god ?



no



is their a creator ?



yes





and it's name is evolution

Interesting theory...  unsure.gif
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Post by: gir on April 05, 2004, 08:49:00 AM
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Post by: _SCaRfaCe on April 14, 2004, 10:14:00 AM
there must be some sort of supreme being out there.  just the fact that we can think and act for ourselves gives it away.  on top of that, i've experienced so-called "miracles" in my family.

my mother was somehow cured of malignant melanoma (brain tumor) while pregnant with me.  she's still here.  when the doctor re-examined her, he found nothing.  the guy turned white and asked her "what did you do!?"  she replied "i prayed."

my oldest bro had an enlarged heart and was supposed to be dead by his early 20s.  he went to some healing service - or something like that - and said he felt different after the minister prayed for him.  this was back 14 years ago.  today, he's happily married and 29 years old.... and healthy as ever.

...... go figure.
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Post by: rms2001 on April 15, 2004, 12:20:00 AM
QUOTE (parkerbender @ Apr 5 2004, 12:49 PM)
there used to be a god but mel gibson killed him to make a million bucks!
rolleyes.gif

 uhh.gif How is the Son of God, God?
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Post by: notit on April 15, 2004, 12:45:00 AM
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How is the Son of God, God?


Technically Its like this. Jesus(Emanuel) was/is the avatar of God. The place holder of God. He never actualy said he was God. He spoke of his father in heaven. think of reality as the internet and heaven/divinity as the "real" world. Jesus Christ was the IM handle of God. hope that clears things up. if you believe in that sort of thing. According to catholic teaching God has multiple personalities,the Holy Trinity. Then Jesus would just be one facet of God.  just a though wink.gif
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Post by: rms2001 on April 15, 2004, 01:36:00 AM
QUOTE (notit @ Apr 15 2004, 12:45 AM)

Technically Its like this. Jesus(Emanuel) was/is the avatar of God. The place holder of God. He never actualy said he was God. He spoke of his father in heaven. think of reality as the internet and heaven/divinity as the "real" world. Jesus Christ was the IM handle of God. hope that clears things up. if you believe in that sort of thing. According to catholic teaching God has multiple personalities,the Holy Trinity. Then Jesus would just be one facet of God.  just a though wink.gif

I know who Jesus is. I was kinda wanting to know how he came to the conclusion that Jesus is God. I do see your point, but your forgetting the Catholics are basing the trinity on one verse. Can't think of it right now, but it will come to me.

I'm going to have to brake out my Bible again to night and do some studying. But there are many things that clearly out line Jesus (the master worker) as the Son of God and not just one of his personalities.
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Post by: notit on April 15, 2004, 02:14:00 AM
Oh ok. Personaly I like the pesonality of Skippy the mentaly retarded walmart greater.
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Post by: rms2001 on April 15, 2004, 02:17:00 AM
All right, get ready to do some reading here.

What does the bible say about God and Jesus?
If people were to read the Bible from cover to cover without any preconceived idea of a Trinity, would they arrive at such a concept on their own? Not at all.
What comes through very clearly to an impartial reader is that God alone is the Almighty, the Creator, separate and distinct from anyone else, and that Jesus, even in his prehuman existence, is also separate and distinct, a created being, subordinate to God.

God Is One, Not Three
The Bible teaching that God is one is called monotheism. And L. L. Paine, professor of ecclesiastical history, indicates that monotheism in its purest form does not allow for a Trinity: “The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there.is utterly without foundation.”
Was there any change from monotheism after Jesus came to the earth? Paine answers: “On this point there is no break between the Old Testament and the New. The monotheistic tradition is continued. Jesus was a Jew, trained by Jewish parents in the Old Testament scriptures. His teaching was Jewish to the core; a new gospel indeed, but not a new theology. And he accepted as his own belief the great text of Jewish monotheism:

Not Equal to God
Another scripture the churches use is John 5:18. It says that the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because “he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God.” Who was saying that Jesus was making himself equal to God? Not Jesus. He clears this up in the very next verse (19) by stating: “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing.” So Jesus did not claim that he was almighty God or equal to him. He was showing the Jews that they were mistaken, that he was not God, but that he was the Son of God, and as God’s spokesman, he could not act on his own initiative. Imagine the almighty God of the universe saying that he could do nothing of his own initiative? So the Jews made a charge, and Jesus refuted it.
Thus, from the testimony of God in his own inspired Word, from the testimony of Jesus, and from the testimony of the disciples of Jesus, the overwhelming evidence clearly shows that almighty God and Jesus Christ are two separate personalities, Father and Son. That evidence also clearly shows that the “holy spirit” is not the third person of any Trinity but God’s active force. It is futile to take scriptures out of context or to try twisting them to support the Trinity. Any such scriptures must be harmonized with the rest of the Bible’s clear testimony.

Why Did the Trinity Develop?
The Trinity has pagan roots. It is not a Bible teaching, but it was adopted by Christendom in the fourth century. However, long before that, there were trinities in ancient Babylon, Egypt, and other places. Christendom thus incorporated a pagan concept into its teachings. This was instigated by Roman emperor Constantine, who was not interested in the truth about this matter but wanted to solidify his empire made up of pagans and apostate Christians. Far from being a development of a Christian teaching, the Trinity was evidence that Christendom had apostatized from the teachings of Christ and had adopted pagan teachings instead.
Why would such a doctrine develop? Certainly, God’s interests are not served by making Him, His Son, and His holy spirit confusing and mysterious. And it does not serve the interests of people to be confused. Instead, the more people become confused about God and his purposes, the better it suits Satan the Devil, God’s opposer, the ‘god of this world,’ who works to ‘blind the minds of unbelievers.’ (2 Corinthians 4:4) Since such a doctrine makes it appear that only theologians can understand Bible teachings, it also suits the religious leaders of Christendom. This helps them to maintain their hold on the common people.

Yet, the truth about this matter is so simple that a child can understand it. A little boy knows that he is not the same as his father but that they are two separate individuals. Similarly, when the Bible says that Jesus is God’s Son, that is what it means. That is the simple truth, while the Trinity doctrine is not. It is a lie. So it must originate with “the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Rev 12:9) But the simple, refreshing truths about God, his Son, Jesus Christ, and God’s powerful holy spirit free people from bondage to false teachings rooted in paganism and authored by Satan. As Jesus said to sincere truth seekers: “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32) Taking in accurate knowledge of liberating truths, as well as acting on them, “means everlasting life.”—John 17:3.



Got some more in depth info on the Trinity. and will post that tomarrow or some thing.
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Post by: notit on April 15, 2004, 02:33:00 AM
Catholisism is very much " christian paganism" if you will.  It comes from the ideals of the roman empire that adopted it as their main religion. I mean romans were god thiefs. Or more like god borrowers. They simply went with whatever worked that week. So has the "Holy Roman church".  To this day More and more saints keep getting added to the roster. It is one thing to admire people who Have contributed to your cause and quite another to deitify them. There are prayers dedicated to the "saints" themselves and last time I checked # one law was "Thou shalt not have any gods before me"

I agree with you rms2001. I was just trying to ilustrate better for some. Theology is kind of my hobby. I also collect bibles and other religious texts. Not that i claim any of them for my self. I believe in a higher power. I am just not sure what it is though. dry.gif
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Post by: BloodyMary on April 19, 2004, 11:53:00 AM
QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Jan 18 2004, 03:58 PM)
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I don't understand why anyone would be baptized if they don't believe in God


Free bath by a stranger. smile.gif

 laugh.gif

That is undeniably the funniest post I have read on these forums in months... rotfl.gif
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Post by: khurram on April 22, 2004, 06:59:00 AM
why would anybody challenege the existence of god is beyond me but since thr is a whole lot of ppl out here who r challenging it so.........

lets take something into consideration i think which hasnt been talked abt in this thread and that is the matter of DEATH. why does everybody have to die? ok an answer cud be that if nobody died then thr wont be enuff space to live on this planet, ok i'll consider that.......then answer this......if every thing has to die why isnt the timespan fixed.....like a human being dies after exactly 60 yrs of life, my point being that thr is something or somebody or some power out thr which is keeping track of this.

also thr is this thing abt laws abt wot is rite and wot is wrong, whr did they come from??!! how do u know that murdering somebody is wrong??!!! IT IS because we have been told so by the HOLY BOOKS and THE HOLY MESSENGERS of GOD!!! although a human being is the most excellent form of life even then its abilities r limited unless it is taught, unless it learns......and how did the early or even the human beings ..not only humans but animals... today r learning from??!!!  referring to the Holy scriptures and Books that r still being learnt from.....

Concscience, wot is that? if u dont fear something if u dont believe in the fact that doing something wrong will get u in trouble thr wont be any effect on ure conscience rite??? then why does a human being have something bothering his coscience when lets say he adultrates with his neighbours wife???

i know i know the above statements that i made dont PROVE the existence of GOD as u ppl want it, but think abt it. what is the reason behind this life? the reason behind our existence? the reason behind the life at the bottom of the ocean? the life under the surface of the earth? NO SCIENCE cant give u any answers coz science is limited!!! science is limited so thr cant be any scientific proof for the existence of GOD. and why is science limited???!! because it originates from the mind of a human being.....like my friend above said, i'd like to extract something from it......the created can not be superior to the Creator!!! humans being the created ones and Creator being God. and purely because of this limitation Science will never be able to prove or disprove the existence of God.

The reason for our existence is to obey our Lord that is God, wotever religion u may be following, the point is that u obey the rules and guidelines jotted down by God and worship him. yeah it might feel corny but believe me i've seen ppl with millions of bucks in thr pockets with ever luxury in life and in who's life thr is almost no mention of God, they have this uneasiness, this emptiness that u cant explain , peace of mind is lacking......and i know ppl with mediocre salaries living almost hand to mouth but they r happy as HAPPY as the word can be and the only thing differing is that they have a self-assurance kind of thing that we obey our Lord and we worship him and we live by HIS rules and we r happy with wotever he has given us, these r the ppl with the real peace of mind.......

now a lot of u will say i have peace of mind and i dont worship god or pray to Him or follow HIs rules and i am an athiest well my friends u r only fooling ureselves. stop living in a LIE. and tell me do u ppl believe in the saying or wotever that GOOD ALWAYS WINS(something like that), why do we have this faith??! we have it because we believe that even if something wrong has been done some injustice has been done thr is a HIGHER POWER that will rectify it someday........

tell me WHY does ure science fail when it declares that a person will die of Cancer within 6 months and that person goes on living for 6 yrs??!!! i pointed this out that like the guy above me wrote Science is not everything it cant answer every single thing. u say einstein said that u can travel in time rite and u guys believe it??!!!! well i'll end this here by saying that u ppl will believe in a scientist when he says something that cant be achieved atleast that hasnt been achieved yet and he only theorized abt it without actual proof!!!! and u wont believe in the existence of God coz he doesnt come down and proves it to u??!!!!  unsure.gif

p.s- i'm a muslim and we believe that God-Allah- showed a glimpse of his existence to Moses on a Cliff and that our Holy Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him) when he was lifted upto the heavens met Allah and HE talked to Muhammad(peace be upon him). but that is another arrgument that u guys wud get into so stay away from it and think abt wot i stated above........thr was this guy who mentioned he cudnt sleep for a nite coz he thought abt these things..........i'l ask anybody who read this post to give 30 mins of his time and think abt his existence and the reason for it........surely GOd willingly that'll work wonders for u.

p.p.s- i'm sorry if i blurted out anything that might hurt somebody.  love.gif

p.p.p.s- sorry but wud somebody mind telling me who gave Moses the power to seperate the waters and make a path in it, also who gave him the powerful stick that when thrown on hte ground turnd into a snake kinda thingy and who gave Jesus the power to cure diseases like leprosy and bring the dead to life???!!! my answer GOD gave them those powers.
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Post by: BloodyMary on April 23, 2004, 02:35:00 AM
QUOTE (khurram @ Apr 22 2004, 08:59 AM)
why would anybody challenege the existence of god is beyond me

It's because da homos.  laugh.gif
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: Banj on April 27, 2004, 03:48:00 AM
I personally don't advocate religeon, I am not an theologist and I'm not nihilistic. Taking into account all beliefs, religeous, secular, scientific etc I would offer the opinion that 'God' is a label. 'God' is whatever you believe that gives you a better understanding of yourself.
I have friends who push science as an opposing force to religeon. "The Big Bang theory dissproves the existance of God." is one my mate just came out with, well then isn't the Big Bang Theory just another interpretation of God? Even if not in your mind, in the mind of others you are describing Genesis.
I see no ill in any belief system that enables society to function fluidly, unfortunately organised religeon flies in the face of everything 'God' stands for.
I am a good person, I have strong morals and defined opinions on the way I conduct my life. I inflict no pain on anyone with intent, physically or emotionally. I believe that I have an equilibrium within me that some people would label 'God' however I don't think it is in anyway important to affiliate yourself with one doctrine or another.
My mother is a Christian and she believes I am too because I follow the same set of rules and morals as she is taught, other people think I'm a hippy because of my compassion and respect for other people. I am me, I'm none of these things and all of them because all these things are merely labels.
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: HeLiuM on May 01, 2004, 08:17:00 AM
QUOTE (saad84 @ Apr 22 2004, 05:41 AM)
Now have u ever heard that nature has instability??? If there is no God why the Earth, Sun, Moon and all other stars have such perfect revolutionary paths and our satellites read ISS (International Space Station) has to be pushed into orbit every 4th week?????

Another question why is nature in harmony with its existence and we are not??? U never saw nature destoryin nature??? But we humans do it????

you NEVER see nature destroying nature? predator/prey, dinosaur extinction, spreading populations ruining foreign ecosystems
if there is a god, shouldn't he be doing something to aide the stability? or is he just having fun watching his creatures destroy eachother?

as for your first point, maybe its because the ISS is in a LOW orbit with an extremely LOW mass, extremely LOW gravity of its own? it's not a huge solid ball of dirt at an overwhelming distance.  small deviations in their orbit make no difference, but with something as tiny and unsubstantial as the ISS it can cause major deviance

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why does everybody have to die? ok an answer cud be that if nobody died then thr wont be enuff space to live on this planet, ok i'll consider that.......then answer this......if every thing has to die why isnt the timespan fixed.....like a human being dies after exactly 60 yrs of life, my point being that thr is something or somebody or some power out thr which is keeping track of this.

our molecules break down. the time isn't fixed because there is an extreme amount of variables involved.  It's called Biochemistry.  And there are a milion reasons for us dying.  With many complex organs, they degrade at different rates (depending largely on genetics and general health), and once one goes the whole body goes down with it.

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tell me WHY does ure science fail when it declares that a person will die of Cancer within 6 months and that person goes on living for 6 yrs??!!! i pointed this out that like the guy above me wrote Science is not everything it cant answer every single thing. u say einstein said that u can travel in time rite and u guys believe it??!!!! well i'll end this here by saying that u ppl will believe in a scientist when he says something that cant be achieved atleast that hasnt been achieved yet and he only theorized abt it without actual proof!!!! and u wont believe in the existence of God coz he doesnt come down and proves it to u??!!!! 

again, there are an incredible amount of variables. and a scientists theory is able to be tested.  The existence of god could never be tested, and there is just as much against gods existence (or even more if you consider contradictions in the bible) as for it.  No scientist claims to be able to pinpoint the day of your death, there is simply too much data to analyze right now.  Science is always improving however.  Your argument could just as easily go against you, as scientists are able to tell within a margin your life expectancy for a disease or condition.  If there was a god in control, why would they be able to do this?

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now a lot of u will say i have peace of mind and i dont worship god or pray to Him or follow HIs rules and i am an athiest well my friends u r only fooling ureselves. stop living in a LIE. and tell me do u ppl believe in the saying or wotever that GOOD ALWAYS WINS(something like that), why do we have this faith??! we have it because we believe that even if something wrong has been done some injustice has been done thr is a HIGHER POWER that will rectify it someday........

That argument had absolutely no substance.  I could just as easily say the same to you, chaging a few words, and it would be just as valid (if not more valid since theres actually support for science, making it less likely to be the lie in my eyes).
People say good always wins out of hope, its a moral boost etc.  I believe it to a degree because of faith in mankind, not faith in a supreme being.  I don't need to be threatened with hell to do what i feel is right.  Faith in mankind is more of an agreement for a common good.
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: Boba_Fett on May 02, 2004, 11:07:00 PM
QUOTE (gronne @ Mar 20 2004, 10:29 AM)

Well, I never said all christians believe it's only about 6000 years old, but most do.

Well, why do you think the world is millions of years old? What, because darwin said so? Oh, its because some (falible) human made a theory (and even denied it on his death bed) said so? What makes your "the earth is millions of years old" theory better than some Christians who think that "The earth is around 6000 years old" theory? Absolutely nothing. Humans are not perfect and they will never be perfect. That means that there is a possibility that, GASP, evolution (a THEORY made by a human) is wrong. The funny thing is, all you athiests' believe "proof" that is in your text books when you have absolutely no idea if it is correct. What makes you different from Christians that grow up with the Bible as their standard? Its really sad nowadays. I love it when morons say "Christians are soooo closeminded" when they completely shove off any notion that a supreme being might exist. Hypocrisy at its finest. Anyways, I'm tired and I don't really feel like writing a 10 page exposition on this. I guess all I'm trying to say is: I hope the next person who says shit like "People who believe in God are wasting their lives" or "God doesn't exist" (you know, because they've proven that, right... right?) gets a nice random punch in the face. God knows I'd do it tongue.gif
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: HeLiuM on May 03, 2004, 09:25:00 AM
nobody denied evolution was a theory (i've never heard it described as anything but a theory).. but it is a theory with factual support.  Of course it can be wrong, nobody is denying that.  But religion is much more close minded.. evolution, and anything else scientific, is wrong if it contradicts the religion.  But the religion is absolute, the religion is infalliable, the religion is the fact without base.  As far as I'm concerned, religions are all theories, ones that have been disproven but refuse to die.
Title: Offical God Topic
Post by: melon on May 06, 2004, 01:42:00 AM
maybe religion was a theory 2000 years ago?
maybe it just became popular?

I am agnostic but if people want to belive I would be ignorant to belittle them.

I do think religion has been abused through the ages. From the crusades to modern day jihad.

A poet once said

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They were looking for God but found religion instead