QUOTE (alikaz @ Mar 15 2004, 03:28 PM) |
^^^ not travel IN time, all u can do is travel FASTER in time, like ucan go ahead in time, but technically u dunt go ahead in time, u travel so fast that YOU slow down, while the world around you goes at normal speed, and when u are done goinf really fast in a circle around the world wut ends up happin is that u jus went slowly while the whole world went at normal speed, and no you CANNOT travel back in time, and wht good is it to travel forward in time, serves no real purpose in life other than to preserve soemthin or jus for the hell of it, and travellin forward in time willl not give u multiple time lines |
No, Einsteins theory was about travelling in time actually. If you travel in space you'll be a little "younger" than the rest, I suppose that's what you meant. I can't remember how the theory was built up, all I remember is that it was complex
It's about bending time in the dimensions if I remember correctly. The thing is that scientists as of lately are starting to believe in this theory. Einstein was pretty amazing. It's like with him as with Darwin, at first people didn't believe in their theories, but a hundred years later(for Darwin) it's being proven(I refer to Darwin here obviously, since he had some parts written in "The origin of species" that were proved like a couple of years ago. The scientists were very sceptic, but had to change their minds).
Darwin is the greatest hero I know of. Denying his theory is ridiculous. We have lived more than 6000 years people, stop denying.
QUOTE (guitardork864 @ Mar 19 2004, 06:18 AM) |
QUOTE | We have lived more than 6000 years people, stop denying. |
Godammit some fuckwadding bitchass piece of shit licking dog crap that takes the word of a few people and applies it to the whole. not all christians are closed minded dickwads and are retards. i hope you get your ass run over because its ignorant people like you that make other people hate christians. go fuck yourself cuntwad.
QUOTE | Why did sept 11th happen? Religion. Why is there terrorism? Religion. Why is Bush destroying the environment? Because he believes god gave humans the world to with as we please. It all comes back to religion. |
sure you could blame that on the human interpretation of religion, but remember. All humans sin/make mistakes. Does that make it God's fault? no. according to christianity, god gave man free will. that means we can sin, so that means although there is religion, it is run by men. so yes religious institutions can make mistakes, but that doesn't mean that the ideals and morals that are the founding corner-stones of the religion complete and utter bullshit.
all the people that bash religion need to take a much closer look at it first.
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*checks off name for list of hell*
seriously, how childish of a post is this....
QUOTE (guitardork864 @ Mar 19 2004, 06:18 AM) |
QUOTE | We have lived more than 6000 years people, stop denying. |
Godammit some fuckwadding bitchass piece of shit licking dog crap that takes the word of a few people and applies it to the whole. not all christians are closed minded dickwads and are retards. i hope you get your ass run over because its ignorant people like you that make other people hate christians. go fuck yourself cuntwad.
QUOTE | Why did sept 11th happen? Religion. Why is there terrorism? Religion. Why is Bush destroying the environment? Because he believes god gave humans the world to with as we please. It all comes back to religion. |
sure you could blame that on the human interpretation of religion, but remember. All humans sin/make mistakes. Does that make it God's fault? no. according to christianity, god gave man free will. that means we can sin, so that means although there is religion, it is run by men. so yes religious institutions can make mistakes, but that doesn't mean that the ideals and morals that are the founding corner-stones of the religion complete and utter bullshit.
all the people that bash religion need to take a much closer look at it first.
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Well, I never said all christians believe it's only about 6000 years old, but most do. And no matter some don't think so, I believe that's why all
religions fail. I don't think Jesus would accept all the different ways the christianity has taken. You don't even believe in all the same words as an orthodox or a catholic if you're from the protestant church. Some people take the bible by the word, and some interpret it as they like, yet all of you think you'll come to the same God. I mean if it's going to work you all will have to believe in the exact words written in the bible, or you're a hypocrite IMO. You're slaves under a book written by other hypocrites.
You're a good example of the difference between christians. In know a guy that would NEVER EVER use cursewords since it's words of the devil. But you can just write "Godammit some fuckwadding bitchass piece of shit licking dog crap" as it's nothing. He believes in the bible by the word, guess you don't. You curse more than I do being an atheist, says a lot.
Well all I can say is I want my tombstone to look like a galaga screen with GAME OVER in big letters accross the front, and my best galaga score ever at top where it says highscore.. As for there being a god, nah I doubt it and even if there is he/she sure wouldn't think to highly of any of the religeons that us earthlings follow. As the ole addige goes. If god made everybody who made god...
since i'm not gullible i'm gonna have to go with a pretty strong NO
Jesus didn't die before he existed. B.C= Before Christ A.D= Anno Domini (don't know what it stands for but it's after christ was born anyways).
What does it matter whether the A-hole suffered or not? People get murdered by american soldiers everyday. Jesus could have fled free but chose to get killed because he wanted his believes to be remembered and taken more seriously, just like Sokrates. And you complain that he suffered!!! Just like the americans getting tortured in Iraq. You get upset about americans being tortured, but you were pro the war?? THAT'S WHAT WAR IS ALL ABOUT!!! Degradation is very natural in wars, and you get upset about it?? I bet the americans raped a lot of women in Iraq during the war, because wars are sick, and soldiers get twisted by killing people whereas degradation is very common.
I haven't bashed anybody, I just think he seemed to be an asshole that's all. I'm entitled to think whatever I want. Had I said Muhammed the prophet was nice(which I think he seemed to be, though a bit imaginative, yet a lot better than christ) you'd get pissed for that. Christ was a heavily disturbed person, the idiot thought he was the son of an abstract God (Yeah, he never fully claimed it, but that's what he wanted the apostles to think).
How nice for you Spency, so you don't go to church anymore, but I guess that when you're about to die you'll repent to God you didn't go to church and you'll be good to go to heaven. That's what many do, which I think is more fucked up than believing in God all of your life. I don't especially bash religious people, but I do bash the religions in itself(ALL religions).
First of all i believe that Jesus Christ as a man was probably a cool guy. More like a Bhudist then any thing else. I mean the whole passive resisitance and all. I think that the people that ruin Christianity are the Christians. Me personaly I am Agnostic. I believe In a higher power its just the details that bother me. I grew up Catholic, but I have managed to recover and lead a somewhat normal life. Lol. No offense to Catholics but I personaly had problems with all of those rituals and rules. Most people just recite the words in church and never really give it much thought. The one thread that goes through most religions is a common one. Treat others like you would want to be treated. Yes the secret to world peace really is that simple.
What I hate is this. Its twisting the words one says to suit your needs. Most religions do this. Actually most Mass groupigs of humans do this. Lemmings. They latch on to somehing no matter if it is right or wrong and they run with it. It does no matter if it is Micro$oft or th U$A. A few months ago. I made a peace sign and this guy comes over and asks me if I am a "peacenick". I said I believed in peace. He then proceeded to say how people like me make him sick. How i wanted "Our troops" to die. Now where in the world did he get and idea like this. If I broke down and took his side and I got my wish the war would still go on and the more people would die. On the other hand if I got my wish and peace broke out no one else would get killed. BTW I support and end to the war instead of just peace.
Well, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you saying "Treat others like you would want to be treated". When I say to people that's what it's all about they claim I'm a christian(at least christians claim I am), and OK it's christian, but it's also VERY logic. Sadly enough religions don't apply to this themselves.
Well, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you saying "Treat others like you would want to be treated". When I say to people that's what it's all about they claim I'm a christian(at least christians claim I am), and OK it's christian, but it's also VERY logic. Sadly enough religions don't apply to this themselves.
"God... Please deliver me from your believers"
This best sums up what I think. I believe in God, I believe in Jesus. I think God created something (be it the Universe or larger or whatever) which lead to life springing from the primordial seas of this planet (be it coincidental or not). I don't think that there is a place that God made specifically for us to burn and suffer in torment for all eternity because with respect to Him, we are nothing, bacteria, zilch.
The sum of our existance and the effect we have on ANYTHING is insignificant. I don't profess to believe in any one religion, because God favors no person, only religions do that. Call me naive, but I believe that all people are good to a reasonable degree, and evil and badness are the result of either 1) Overdeveloped sense of self or 2) Self-Preservation.
I believe that orthodox, organized religion is the most ridiculous, most pretentious concept ever. Sure, the 10 commandments are great guidelines to live by, but some mysterious father figure is not going to point you out and send you to be punished forever if you break these rules.
If you must summarize my beliefs, I believe in the "Grand Clockmaker" theory. That God created everything and set it motion to observe, to watch for satisfaction or even entertainment. I believe he does play a part in our lives, helping us, putting us in our place, to his satisfaction (our karma). Eh, well, enough rambling, I gotta piss.
Ok, I haven't read all the posts (too many for after 4am).
Anyway, I don't believe in god, but I do believe in reincarnation and other such STufF that science can't explain.
I have memories from previous lives, so for me to not believe in reincarnation would make as much sense as me not believing that I'm typing out this post.
As for the questions about where did it all come from (I mean EVERYTHING), well, there's always the possibility that whether god or not, the origins of existence are so far beyond human comprehension that we'll just ask ourselves that forever.
In science (lesson) a few years ago, we were talking about how the universe came into being and how there have been potentially infinite big bangs and will continue to be forever, because the universe (might) contracts after it stops expanding (like elastic) and eventually implodes which causes another big bang, but at the point in time when everything in the universe, including time is all together, the new universe that is created will have different physics and rules than the universe we live in.
I don't know if I believe that, but whether I do or not, it's kind of worthless talking about, because no one can ever disprove it.
LA!
The other thing I used to ask myself when I was younger was what's at the edge of the universe, ie, where does it end, and what's after that?
Again, I think the answer is so profoundly beyond anything we are mentally or physically capable of even coming close to understanding.
In the end, what's the point in thinking about all this religious crap, just be good to everyone and never do something which you feel is wrong, relax and the world will be a better place. So smoke some weed, play StepManiaX and enjoy life instead of questioning it.
is there a god ?
no
is their a creator ?
yes
and it's name is evolution
QUOTE (wireless g @ Apr 4 2004, 11:33 PM) |
is there a god ?
no
is their a creator ?
yes
and it's name is evolution |
Interesting theory...
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there must be some sort of supreme being out there. just the fact that we can think and act for ourselves gives it away. on top of that, i've experienced so-called "miracles" in my family.
my mother was somehow cured of malignant melanoma (brain tumor) while pregnant with me. she's still here. when the doctor re-examined her, he found nothing. the guy turned white and asked her "what did you do!?" she replied "i prayed."
my oldest bro had an enlarged heart and was supposed to be dead by his early 20s. he went to some healing service - or something like that - and said he felt different after the minister prayed for him. this was back 14 years ago. today, he's happily married and 29 years old.... and healthy as ever.
...... go figure.
QUOTE (parkerbender @ Apr 5 2004, 12:49 PM) |
there used to be a god but mel gibson killed him to make a million bucks! |
How is the Son of God, God?
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How is the Son of God, God? |
Technically Its like this. Jesus(Emanuel) was/is the avatar of God. The place holder of God. He never actualy said he was God. He spoke of his father in heaven. think of reality as the internet and heaven/divinity as the "real" world. Jesus Christ was the IM handle of God. hope that clears things up. if you believe in that sort of thing. According to catholic teaching God has multiple personalities,the Holy Trinity. Then Jesus would just be one facet of God. just a though
QUOTE (notit @ Apr 15 2004, 12:45 AM) |
Technically Its like this. Jesus(Emanuel) was/is the avatar of God. The place holder of God. He never actualy said he was God. He spoke of his father in heaven. think of reality as the internet and heaven/divinity as the "real" world. Jesus Christ was the IM handle of God. hope that clears things up. if you believe in that sort of thing. According to catholic teaching God has multiple personalities,the Holy Trinity. Then Jesus would just be one facet of God. just a though |
I know who Jesus is. I was kinda wanting to know how he came to the conclusion that Jesus is God. I do see your point, but your forgetting the Catholics are basing the trinity on one verse. Can't think of it right now, but it will come to me.
I'm going to have to brake out my Bible again to night and do some studying. But there are many things that clearly out line Jesus (the master worker) as the Son of God and not just one of his personalities.
Oh ok. Personaly I like the pesonality of Skippy the mentaly retarded walmart greater.
All right, get ready to do some reading here.
What does the bible say about God and Jesus?
If people were to read the Bible from cover to cover without any preconceived idea of a Trinity, would they arrive at such a concept on their own? Not at all.
What comes through very clearly to an impartial reader is that God alone is the Almighty, the Creator, separate and distinct from anyone else, and that Jesus, even in his prehuman existence, is also separate and distinct, a created being, subordinate to God.
God Is One, Not Three
The Bible teaching that God is one is called monotheism. And L. L. Paine, professor of ecclesiastical history, indicates that monotheism in its purest form does not allow for a Trinity: The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there.is utterly without foundation.
Was there any change from monotheism after Jesus came to the earth? Paine answers: On this point there is no break between the Old Testament and the New. The monotheistic tradition is continued. Jesus was a Jew, trained by Jewish parents in the Old Testament scriptures. His teaching was Jewish to the core; a new gospel indeed, but not a new theology. And he accepted as his own belief the great text of Jewish monotheism:
Not Equal to God
Another scripture the churches use is John 5:18. It says that the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God. Who was saying that Jesus was making himself equal to God? Not Jesus. He clears this up in the very next verse (19) by stating: The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. So Jesus did not claim that he was almighty God or equal to him. He was showing the Jews that they were mistaken, that he was not God, but that he was the Son of God, and as Gods spokesman, he could not act on his own initiative. Imagine the almighty God of the universe saying that he could do nothing of his own initiative? So the Jews made a charge, and Jesus refuted it.
Thus, from the testimony of God in his own inspired Word, from the testimony of Jesus, and from the testimony of the disciples of Jesus, the overwhelming evidence clearly shows that almighty God and Jesus Christ are two separate personalities, Father and Son. That evidence also clearly shows that the holy spirit is not the third person of any Trinity but Gods active force. It is futile to take scriptures out of context or to try twisting them to support the Trinity. Any such scriptures must be harmonized with the rest of the Bibles clear testimony.
Why Did the Trinity Develop?
The Trinity has pagan roots. It is not a Bible teaching, but it was adopted by Christendom in the fourth century. However, long before that, there were trinities in ancient Babylon, Egypt, and other places. Christendom thus incorporated a pagan concept into its teachings. This was instigated by Roman emperor Constantine, who was not interested in the truth about this matter but wanted to solidify his empire made up of pagans and apostate Christians. Far from being a development of a Christian teaching, the Trinity was evidence that Christendom had apostatized from the teachings of Christ and had adopted pagan teachings instead.
Why would such a doctrine develop? Certainly, Gods interests are not served by making Him, His Son, and His holy spirit confusing and mysterious. And it does not serve the interests of people to be confused. Instead, the more people become confused about God and his purposes, the better it suits Satan the Devil, Gods opposer, the god of this world, who works to blind the minds of unbelievers. (2 Corinthians 4:4) Since such a doctrine makes it appear that only theologians can understand Bible teachings, it also suits the religious leaders of Christendom. This helps them to maintain their hold on the common people.
Yet, the truth about this matter is so simple that a child can understand it. A little boy knows that he is not the same as his father but that they are two separate individuals. Similarly, when the Bible says that Jesus is Gods Son, that is what it means. That is the simple truth, while the Trinity doctrine is not. It is a lie. So it must originate with the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth. (Rev 12:9) But the simple, refreshing truths about God, his Son, Jesus Christ, and Gods powerful holy spirit free people from bondage to false teachings rooted in paganism and authored by Satan. As Jesus said to sincere truth seekers: You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (John 8:32) Taking in accurate knowledge of liberating truths, as well as acting on them, means everlasting life.John 17:3.
Got some more in depth info on the Trinity. and will post that tomarrow or some thing.
Catholisism is very much " christian paganism" if you will. It comes from the ideals of the roman empire that adopted it as their main religion. I mean romans were god thiefs. Or more like god borrowers. They simply went with whatever worked that week. So has the "Holy Roman church". To this day More and more saints keep getting added to the roster. It is one thing to admire people who Have contributed to your cause and quite another to deitify them. There are prayers dedicated to the "saints" themselves and last time I checked # one law was "Thou shalt not have any gods before me"
I agree with you rms2001. I was just trying to ilustrate better for some. Theology is kind of my hobby. I also collect bibles and other religious texts. Not that i claim any of them for my self. I believe in a higher power. I am just not sure what it is though.
QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Jan 18 2004, 03:58 PM) |
QUOTE | I don't understand why anyone would be baptized if they don't believe in God |
Free bath by a stranger. |
That is undeniably the funniest post I have read on these forums in months...
why would anybody challenege the existence of god is beyond me but since thr is a whole lot of ppl out here who r challenging it so.........
lets take something into consideration i think which hasnt been talked abt in this thread and that is the matter of DEATH. why does everybody have to die? ok an answer cud be that if nobody died then thr wont be enuff space to live on this planet, ok i'll consider that.......then answer this......if every thing has to die why isnt the timespan fixed.....like a human being dies after exactly 60 yrs of life, my point being that thr is something or somebody or some power out thr which is keeping track of this.
also thr is this thing abt laws abt wot is rite and wot is wrong, whr did they come from??!! how do u know that murdering somebody is wrong??!!! IT IS because we have been told so by the HOLY BOOKS and THE HOLY MESSENGERS of GOD!!! although a human being is the most excellent form of life even then its abilities r limited unless it is taught, unless it learns......and how did the early or even the human beings ..not only humans but animals... today r learning from??!!! referring to the Holy scriptures and Books that r still being learnt from.....
Concscience, wot is that? if u dont fear something if u dont believe in the fact that doing something wrong will get u in trouble thr wont be any effect on ure conscience rite??? then why does a human being have something bothering his coscience when lets say he adultrates with his neighbours wife???
i know i know the above statements that i made dont PROVE the existence of GOD as u ppl want it, but think abt it. what is the reason behind this life? the reason behind our existence? the reason behind the life at the bottom of the ocean? the life under the surface of the earth? NO SCIENCE cant give u any answers coz science is limited!!! science is limited so thr cant be any scientific proof for the existence of GOD. and why is science limited???!! because it originates from the mind of a human being.....like my friend above said, i'd like to extract something from it......the created can not be superior to the Creator!!! humans being the created ones and Creator being God. and purely because of this limitation Science will never be able to prove or disprove the existence of God.
The reason for our existence is to obey our Lord that is God, wotever religion u may be following, the point is that u obey the rules and guidelines jotted down by God and worship him. yeah it might feel corny but believe me i've seen ppl with millions of bucks in thr pockets with ever luxury in life and in who's life thr is almost no mention of God, they have this uneasiness, this emptiness that u cant explain , peace of mind is lacking......and i know ppl with mediocre salaries living almost hand to mouth but they r happy as HAPPY as the word can be and the only thing differing is that they have a self-assurance kind of thing that we obey our Lord and we worship him and we live by HIS rules and we r happy with wotever he has given us, these r the ppl with the real peace of mind.......
now a lot of u will say i have peace of mind and i dont worship god or pray to Him or follow HIs rules and i am an athiest well my friends u r only fooling ureselves. stop living in a LIE. and tell me do u ppl believe in the saying or wotever that GOOD ALWAYS WINS(something like that), why do we have this faith??! we have it because we believe that even if something wrong has been done some injustice has been done thr is a HIGHER POWER that will rectify it someday........
tell me WHY does ure science fail when it declares that a person will die of Cancer within 6 months and that person goes on living for 6 yrs??!!! i pointed this out that like the guy above me wrote Science is not everything it cant answer every single thing. u say einstein said that u can travel in time rite and u guys believe it??!!!! well i'll end this here by saying that u ppl will believe in a scientist when he says something that cant be achieved atleast that hasnt been achieved yet and he only theorized abt it without actual proof!!!! and u wont believe in the existence of God coz he doesnt come down and proves it to u??!!!!
p.s- i'm a muslim and we believe that God-Allah- showed a glimpse of his existence to Moses on a Cliff and that our Holy Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him) when he was lifted upto the heavens met Allah and HE talked to Muhammad(peace be upon him). but that is another arrgument that u guys wud get into so stay away from it and think abt wot i stated above........thr was this guy who mentioned he cudnt sleep for a nite coz he thought abt these things..........i'l ask anybody who read this post to give 30 mins of his time and think abt his existence and the reason for it........surely GOd willingly that'll work wonders for u.
p.p.s- i'm sorry if i blurted out anything that might hurt somebody.
p.p.p.s- sorry but wud somebody mind telling me who gave Moses the power to seperate the waters and make a path in it, also who gave him the powerful stick that when thrown on hte ground turnd into a snake kinda thingy and who gave Jesus the power to cure diseases like leprosy and bring the dead to life???!!! my answer GOD gave them those powers.
QUOTE (khurram @ Apr 22 2004, 08:59 AM) |
why would anybody challenege the existence of god is beyond me |
It's because da homos.
I personally don't advocate religeon, I am not an theologist and I'm not nihilistic. Taking into account all beliefs, religeous, secular, scientific etc I would offer the opinion that 'God' is a label. 'God' is whatever you believe that gives you a better understanding of yourself.
I have friends who push science as an opposing force to religeon. "The Big Bang theory dissproves the existance of God." is one my mate just came out with, well then isn't the Big Bang Theory just another interpretation of God? Even if not in your mind, in the mind of others you are describing Genesis.
I see no ill in any belief system that enables society to function fluidly, unfortunately organised religeon flies in the face of everything 'God' stands for.
I am a good person, I have strong morals and defined opinions on the way I conduct my life. I inflict no pain on anyone with intent, physically or emotionally. I believe that I have an equilibrium within me that some people would label 'God' however I don't think it is in anyway important to affiliate yourself with one doctrine or another.
My mother is a Christian and she believes I am too because I follow the same set of rules and morals as she is taught, other people think I'm a hippy because of my compassion and respect for other people. I am me, I'm none of these things and all of them because all these things are merely labels.
QUOTE (saad84 @ Apr 22 2004, 05:41 AM) |
Now have u ever heard that nature has instability??? If there is no God why the Earth, Sun, Moon and all other stars have such perfect revolutionary paths and our satellites read ISS (International Space Station) has to be pushed into orbit every 4th week?????
Another question why is nature in harmony with its existence and we are not??? U never saw nature destoryin nature??? But we humans do it???? |
you NEVER see nature destroying nature? predator/prey, dinosaur extinction, spreading populations ruining foreign ecosystems
if there is a god, shouldn't he be doing something to aide the stability? or is he just having fun watching his creatures destroy eachother?
as for your first point, maybe its because the ISS is in a LOW orbit with an extremely LOW mass, extremely LOW gravity of its own? it's not a huge solid ball of dirt at an overwhelming distance. small deviations in their orbit make no difference, but with something as tiny and unsubstantial as the ISS it can cause major deviance
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why does everybody have to die? ok an answer cud be that if nobody died then thr wont be enuff space to live on this planet, ok i'll consider that.......then answer this......if every thing has to die why isnt the timespan fixed.....like a human being dies after exactly 60 yrs of life, my point being that thr is something or somebody or some power out thr which is keeping track of this.
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our molecules break down. the time isn't fixed because there is an extreme amount of variables involved. It's called Biochemistry. And there are a milion reasons for us dying. With many complex organs, they degrade at different rates (depending largely on genetics and general health), and once one goes the whole body goes down with it.
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tell me WHY does ure science fail when it declares that a person will die of Cancer within 6 months and that person goes on living for 6 yrs??!!! i pointed this out that like the guy above me wrote Science is not everything it cant answer every single thing. u say einstein said that u can travel in time rite and u guys believe it??!!!! well i'll end this here by saying that u ppl will believe in a scientist when he says something that cant be achieved atleast that hasnt been achieved yet and he only theorized abt it without actual proof!!!! and u wont believe in the existence of God coz he doesnt come down and proves it to u??!!!!
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again, there are an incredible amount of variables. and a scientists theory is able to be tested. The existence of god could never be tested, and there is just as much against gods existence (or even more if you consider contradictions in the bible) as for it. No scientist claims to be able to pinpoint the day of your death, there is simply too much data to analyze right now. Science is always improving however. Your argument could just as easily go against you, as scientists are able to tell within a margin your life expectancy for a disease or condition. If there was a god in control, why would they be able to do this?
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now a lot of u will say i have peace of mind and i dont worship god or pray to Him or follow HIs rules and i am an athiest well my friends u r only fooling ureselves. stop living in a LIE. and tell me do u ppl believe in the saying or wotever that GOOD ALWAYS WINS(something like that), why do we have this faith??! we have it because we believe that even if something wrong has been done some injustice has been done thr is a HIGHER POWER that will rectify it someday........
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That argument had absolutely no substance. I could just as easily say the same to you, chaging a few words, and it would be just as valid (if not more valid since theres actually support for science, making it less likely to be the lie in my eyes).
People say good always wins out of hope, its a moral boost etc. I believe it to a degree because of faith in mankind, not faith in a supreme being. I don't need to be threatened with hell to do what i feel is right. Faith in mankind is more of an agreement for a common good.
QUOTE (gronne @ Mar 20 2004, 10:29 AM) |
Well, I never said all christians believe it's only about 6000 years old, but most do. |
Well, why do you think the world is millions of years old? What, because darwin said so? Oh, its because some (falible) human made a theory (and even denied it on his death bed) said so? What makes your "the earth is millions of years old" theory better than some Christians who think that "The earth is around 6000 years old" theory? Absolutely nothing. Humans are not perfect and they will never be perfect. That means that there is a possibility that, GASP, evolution (a THEORY made by a human) is wrong. The funny thing is, all you athiests' believe "proof" that is in your text books when you have absolutely no idea if it is correct. What makes you different from Christians that grow up with the Bible as their standard? Its really sad nowadays. I love it when morons say "Christians are soooo closeminded" when they completely shove off any notion that a supreme being might exist. Hypocrisy at its finest. Anyways, I'm tired and I don't really feel like writing a 10 page exposition on this. I guess all I'm trying to say is: I hope the next person who says shit like "People who believe in God are wasting their lives" or "God doesn't exist" (you know, because they've proven that, right... right?) gets a nice random punch in the face. God knows I'd do it
nobody denied evolution was a theory (i've never heard it described as anything but a theory).. but it is a theory with factual support. Of course it can be wrong, nobody is denying that. But religion is much more close minded.. evolution, and anything else scientific, is wrong if it contradicts the religion. But the religion is absolute, the religion is infalliable, the religion is the fact without base. As far as I'm concerned, religions are all theories, ones that have been disproven but refuse to die.
maybe religion was a theory 2000 years ago?
maybe it just became popular?
I am agnostic but if people want to belive I would be ignorant to belittle them.
I do think religion has been abused through the ages. From the crusades to modern day jihad.
A poet once said
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They were looking for God but found religion instead |