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Author Topic: How USED Game 'Trade-In' works on XBOX ONE  (Read 579 times)

'steveo1978'

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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2013, 07:45:18 AM »

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               I kinda wonder what effect this would have on stolen games and consoles. It would kind of awesome if your console and games gets stolen you can just go online and change your account password and render the games and console (since it needs to check in every 24hrs) useless. Also since only official resellers can do anything with used games if your games ever do get stolen it should not be to hard to track down where the games get sold.
               
               

               
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'fallenangle'

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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2013, 09:52:00 AM »

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               This used 'scheme' is one of the most ill thought out piles of brown stuff I've come across.

Just where are we in the UK going to take our discs to trade in? Apart from the limit range at the supermarkets the only major specialist games retailers left on the high street shrunk their operation by 75% two years ago due to the recession. Many UK towns don't have anywhere selling new games within easy travelling distance any more.

The only way this could work here is all online with no physical media (the proposed scheme effectively makes physical media redundant anyway) and this means that the terms 'new' and 'used' are now meaningless.

We'll be selling our licence to play the games not the game itself at a price predetermined by MS. It is a fundamental change in the whole consumer/retailer relationship and I don't think MS have even thought about what the consequences of this could be.

It makes no sense to me; if the 'used' licence price is below the 'new' price everyone will be trying to buy their licence used. Why on earth would they do otherwise? A downloaded game isn't 'used' it is just the same as the one you buy at full price. This scheme may actually promote what MS is still calling the 'used' games market and they'll end up selling less 'new' games because of this.

Used licences will end up being the majority of the market but I doubt MS really care how it splits because setting the price for both they have monopoly control.

The law makers are far behind in legislating for consumer rights as regard their digital media. However this change could actually be the spur for them to act and even challenege the legality of what MS is proposing. Maybe this sort of trading practice is illegal under existing consumer laws in some countries already, I do hope so.
               
               

               


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'relaxxx'

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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2013, 12:12:20 PM »

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               All I can say is please boycott this piece of crap. This kind of outrageous DRM policy could only appeal to the most brain dead of all mindless consumer whores. Consumers have the power, anyone buying into this BS system should be ridiculed to the end of time. Subscriptions and single use licences are for TOOLS and ZOMBIES. Mindless brand loyalty is for FOOLS. Tell MS to shove the "ONE" up their @$$ and let that ugly bastard ROT on the shelves! Turn your backs on MS as fast as they turned their back on the ORIGINAL Xbox 1.




               
               

               
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'ekruob'

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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2013, 05:00:02 PM »

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QUOTE(fallenangle @ May 27 2013, 03:52 AM) View Post

This used 'scheme' is one of the most ill thought out piles of brown stuff I've come across.

Just where are we in the UK going to take our discs to trade in? Apart from the limit range at the supermarkets the only major specialist games retailers left on the high street shrunk their operation by 75% two years ago due to the recession. Many UK towns don't have anywhere selling new games within easy travelling distance any more.

The only way this could work here is all online with no physical media (the proposed scheme effectively makes physical media redundant anyway) and this means that the terms 'new' and 'used' are now meaningless...


Yes - as I mentioned above - the only way it could work is if eBay becomes an authorized unlocker - you sell your games on eBay and then you send them to eBay to be unlocked, then eBay forwards them to your buyer.

eBay will make an absolute killing!
               
               

               


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'krayzie'

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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2013, 08:50:25 PM »

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               As I understand each disc will be tied to the live acount once installed. After that there is no use for the disc anymore and you can sell/borrow/do whatever wherever you like. Once a 2nd user puts the disc in there will be a notification that the disc is allready activated and an extra fee must be paid to reactivate it. I'm sure a online paying solution shall be setup a la play or app store.
Anyway I'm amazed how many peole drop into conclusion without any real concrete info and act like the whole world is falling apart. It's just a new device with new ways. Don't like it don't buy it
               
               

               
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'ekruob'

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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2013, 07:02:43 AM »

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QUOTE(krayzie @ May 27 2013, 02:50 PM) View Post

As I understand each disc will be tied to the live acount once installed. After that there is no use for the disc anymore and you can sell/borrow/do whatever wherever you like. Once a 2nd user puts the disc in there will be a notification that the disc is allready activated and an extra fee must be paid to reactivate it. I'm sure a online paying solution shall be setup a la play or app store.
Anyway I'm amazed how many peole drop into conclusion without any real concrete info and act like the whole world is falling apart. It's just a new device with new ways. Don't like it don't buy it

I guess if they also allow a 7-day trial install then that would also allow the rental market to continue its existence.


THat said Krazie - the main problem here is that if I want to buy a game for my five kids to play (each obviously having a separate account) - I will make bomb threats against Redmond if they try to force me to pay for the game five times!

I think that goes for a LOT of families... gonna be a lot of bomb threats lol.
               
               

               


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'krayzie'

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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2013, 09:07:43 AM »

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QUOTE(ekruob @ May 27 2013, 04:02 PM) View Post

I guess if they also allow a 7-day trial install then that would also allow the rental market to continue its existence.
THat said Krazie - the main problem here is that if I want to buy a game for my five kids to play (each obviously having a separate account) - I will make bomb threats against Redmond if they try to force me to pay for the game five times!

I think that goes for a LOT of families... gonna be a lot of bomb threats lol.

It was allready confirmed by MS there will be possibilities to reactivate the same disc to other acounts on a single console without extra cost
               
               

               
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'n3r0'

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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2013, 09:46:22 AM »

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               Any specifics regarding Indie games?
               
               

               
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'Alex548'

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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2013, 02:00:44 PM »

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QUOTE(deilzfcjk @ May 27 2013, 01:17 AM) View Post

well what if you rent a game from like redbox? how would that work? It's going to be really interesting months to come. lol.

@Alex548
You know that certain collectors cars actually hold value and are worth more than blue book. Thereare certain niche enthusiast groups. just saying. But the trade-in value for the games on the xbox one are a little sketchy right now. So, I'll optimistically hold my breathe for now.


... but every time that car gets resold, nobody gives a portion of that money to the manufacturer. Whether it's a classic car or a Yugo, the only time the manufacturer gets money is when they originally sold it to a dealer/customer.


               
               

               


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'ekruob'

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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2013, 04:51:20 PM »

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QUOTE(krayzie @ May 28 2013, 03:07 AM) View Post

It was allready confirmed by MS there will be possibilities to reactivate the same disc to other acounts on a single console without extra cost

They may have separate consoles... it's not unheard of in the 21st century for people to own multiple TVs you know smile.gif

Regardless - this will need to be addressed, or a mass exodus of loyal MS supporters (like me) to Sony is imminent.

QUOTE(Alex548 @ May 28 2013, 08:00 AM) View Post

... but every time that car gets resold, nobody gives a portion of that money to the manufacturer. Whether it's a classic car or a Yugo, the only time the manufacturer gets money is when they originally sold it to a dealer/customer.

This isn't so much of an issue if they drop the price of new games down to compensate - i.e. Steam-level pricing.

However if they continue to charge the same price (USD$100 to $125 per new-release game here in Australia!), then Sony will cream all over them with the PS4.
               
               

               


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'krayzie'

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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2013, 10:02:31 PM »

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               The problem lies in the fact you can install the game and after that don't need the the disc anymore. Therefore they need a system where they must disable the disc once installed otherwise you could use the disc over and over again. You cannot really compare it to a car or or other things that you won't be having after selling. Better compare it with an official MS office or windows disc.
I don't hear people complaining they can only install the disc to one pc. It's just a way to protect the property. I just see the reactivation on other consoles as an extra service.A small fee would be in place.
               
               

               
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'ekruob'

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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2013, 04:23:21 AM »

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QUOTE(krayzie @ May 28 2013, 04:02 PM) View Post

I don't hear people complaining they can only install the disc to one pc...

Actually no - the home/student version of Microsoft software (e.g. Office) comes licensed to install on three (3) different computers...

So unless MS allow games to be installed on three consoles then they are not even abiding by their own rules.

P.S. Krayzie, your Ndure installers were the single best thing ever released for the Xbox... saved me hundreds of hours (5 mins installations instead of 45 minutes soldering!)
               
               

               


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'Moonkeeper'

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« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2013, 08:19:58 PM »

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               No more Right of First Sale?

This is the kind of DRM that invites every single hacker/modder out there to figure out a way to get around it. The PS3 went without being modded for years because the independent devs were satisfied. Linux was taken away and the PS3 cracked by the end of the year.
               
               

               
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'relaxxx'

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« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2013, 07:49:15 AM »

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               Why is the community calling this the Xbox ONE? The name is an ignorant insult. Take a stand and call it Xbox 3 or Xbox 720. If I ran this forum I'd insist on calling it Xbox 3 or perhaps Kinect 2. You're already bending over for it! The community insisted on calling the 360 S the 360 Slim. Call it what you want but don't call it ONE.

If this despicable system succeeds then there really is no cure for zombies.  People paying for this @$$ raping system should at least try and understand they are buying nothing, they are paying for temporary access to an online server regulated service that is subject to change and will only operate and support for a finite period of time.

I can pull out an Atari or NES system out of my closet, pop in a game and be playing in seconds. In 30 years from now, how confident are you that MS will have servers in place to support online game activations for this system? MS stated this system will require a infrastructure with over 300 thousand servers. I can tell you right now there will be no plans to support a system like this 20 years after it becomes obsolete, it will be a brick because the encrypted flash firmware chip only has a listed data retention of 10 years. At least you'll be able to pull out a 60 year old NES and play Super Mario.
               
               

               
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steveo1978

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How USED Game 'Trade-In' works on XBOX ONE
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2013, 08:13:18 AM »


Why is the community calling this the Xbox ONE? The name is an ignorant insult. Take a stand and call it Xbox 3 or Xbox 720. If I ran this forum I'd insist on calling it Xbox 3 or perhaps Kinect 2. You're already bending over for it! The community insisted on calling the 360 S the 360 Slim. Call it what you want but don't call it ONE.

If this despicable system succeeds then there really is no cure for zombies.  People paying for this @$$ raping system should at least try and understand they are buying nothing, they are paying for temporary access to an online server regulated service that is subject to change and will only operate and support for a finite period of time.

I can pull out an Atari or NES system out of my closet, pop in a game and be playing in seconds. In 30 years from now, how confident are you that MS will have servers in place to support online game activations for this system? MS stated this system will require a infrastructure with over 300 thousand servers. I can tell you right now there will be no plans to support a system like this 20 years after it becomes obsolete, it will be a brick because the encrypted flash firmware chip only has a listed data retention of 10 years. At least you'll be able to pull out a 60 year old NES and play Super Mario.


Maybe you are on to something there. People should not buy steam games either because whose to say those games will be available 30 years from now. Wait people should not even buy PCs either because there may not be drivers available for the PC the paid good money for. If you go look at the price of the Atari and NES on their release and then factor in for inflation you will see that MS is not the one raping people or at least not the first.




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