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scottmuller28

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« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2013, 03:13:38 PM »


I think this design was for the North Korean market and showed us the wrong One. Anyway I don't use the Kinect at all and sold mine within 2 weeks. I have no interest in commanding via gestures or voice as I just want to do little as possible and start playing games. M$ seem to focus to much on the unimportant aspects of design and win8 is a great example of this. People don't really give a shit how it turns on or how to move through menu system, we just want to have a good gaming experience.




Edited by scottmuller28, 22 May 2013 - 11:39 PM.


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Ranger72

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« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2013, 04:32:39 PM »


Mah, not too impressed.

PS4's 8GB DDR5 looks to edge out Xbox 1's 8GB DDR3. But specs should be close enough that multi platform games should looks about the same.




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ekruob

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« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2013, 09:01:27 PM »


So I'm guessing with all this online connectivity required to play single player games it's going to be pretty difficult to run 'backups.'  Are the days of modifying optical drive firmware dead?

I bet the new drives allow firmware verification (direct access to the drive's BIOS chip by the console; i.e. before the drive itself is even powered up) - sure you could still get around it, but that will require a hardware solution not simply a firmware flash (they could also factory-weld the drive cases shut to stop most people opening them up).




Edited by ekruob, 23 May 2013 - 05:07 AM.


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sabbath_dude

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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2013, 06:54:00 AM »


I bet the new drives allow firmware verification (direct access to the drive's BIOS chip by the console; i.e. before the drive itself is even powered up) - sure you could still get around it, but that will require a hardware solution not simply a firmware flash (they could also factory-weld the drive cases shut to stop most people opening them up).
The optical drive probably isn't going to be all that important or much of a security risk this time since games never run directly from disc. From what they've said it will only be used once to install software and that's it. On top of that, the constant/frequent online verifications and checks will no doubt make any kind of optical drive exploit a no go.

Maybe this new system will eventually be hacked in the same way as the original. The hard drive is internal, non-upgradable and comes as standard in all systems so maybe we'll see some sort of software exploit?

I think the main issue will probably be getting the console to work 100% offline. In any case I'll bet the system is locked down like nothing we've seen before  ph34r.gif .






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Aldanga

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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2013, 08:55:38 AM »


Yeah, activation codes will render custom drive firmware obsolete. Unlocking the potential of this console is going to be an interesting ride as Microsoft used the end of this current generation as a test bed for stopping console modification.

If I was to make a guess, the Xbox One will be like the PS3 in terms of its hackability: it's going to take a very long time to find an exploit.




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spoone

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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2013, 09:05:04 AM »


i don't think this always-online-crap is forced upon us. i'm saying this because there are areas and countries in this world where it's not normal to have an internet connection, or even a broadband connection.
and microsoft will sell it everywhere they can. so if they are that strict like everybody is complaining about, they would cut off some markets to sell XBOX ONE at all. i do not think that they will do that. they always were and always will be in for the money.




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Reaper527

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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2013, 12:19:18 PM »


The optical drive probably isn't going to be all that important or much of a security risk this time since games never run directly from disc. From what they've said it will only be used once to install software and that's it. On top of that, the constant/frequent online verifications and checks will no doubt make any kind of optical drive exploit a no go.

Maybe this new system will eventually be hacked in the same way as the original. The hard drive is internal, non-upgradable and comes as standard in all systems so maybe we'll see some sort of software exploit?

I think the main issue will probably be getting the console to work 100% offline. In any case I'll bet the system is locked down like nothing we've seen before  ph34r.gif .


and if the system does eventually get hacked, the way things are looking now, banning a console seems like it would be akin to bricking it (unless a hack is able to override the must connect to live to do anything nature of the system).




Edited by Reaper527, 23 May 2013 - 08:19 PM.


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garyopa

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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2013, 03:29:42 PM »


i don't think this always-online-crap is forced upon us. i'm saying this because there are areas and countries in this world where it's not normal to have an internet connection, or even a broadband connection.
and microsoft will sell it everywhere they can. so if they are that strict like everybody is complaining about, they would cut off some markets to sell XBOX ONE at all. i do not think that they will do that. they always were and always will be in for the money.


Alot of people on many forums I been saying, no, it can't be, Microsoft would never do this, what about all those other countries, they want sales, they don't want to be focused to USA and limit their market and cut off those with HDMI only TV's and non-Internet and block used games, it can't be, it is all a lie, stop the presses, print the truth.

Well here is it, the truth, the worldwide sales of 360:

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Canada  - 870,000 as of August 1, 2008
United States - 25.4 million as of March 31, 2011
EMEA region (Europe, Middle East and Africa) - 13.7 million as of March 31, 2011 (Includes UK sales)
United Kingdom - 8 million as of February 14, 2013
Japan - 1.5 million as of June 17, 2011
Australia & New Zealand - 1 million as of April 19, 2010

Worldwide 77.2 million as of March 31, 2013


In the end, Canada, forgot it, we even stop recording the sales, it is so slow, so whom cares, even Nintendo released more Wii-mini instead of Wii-U to this cold North country most don't even know where is is on the Globe.

Japan, will the 360 failed, it lucky to sell 300 units in one week now after 8 years and tons of cool games, so forgot about XB1 there, we don't need them.

Aussie, the land-down-under formerly a JAIL, what? where? whom? -- and we also stop recording sales due to LOW demand.

Ok, EU there is market, will it is so low, we have to include UK 8 million to bring up the figures to make it look good.

So whats left, the 25 million in USA and the 8 million in UK (reason why UK has alot of TV partners and INDIE store).

That is the market for XB1, sorry to say, everyone else can kiss my ass. -- So long and thanks for your M$ bucks, but we don't care, both USA and UK has strong broadband support, happy customers and DRM loving fans, so we support them first!




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scottmuller28

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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2013, 04:04:31 PM »


I'm going to pre-order the ouya. biggrin.gif




Edited by scottmuller28, 24 May 2013 - 12:05 AM.


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defhead

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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2013, 04:36:35 PM »


Alot of people on many forums I been saying, no, it can't be, Microsoft would never do this, what about all those other countries, they want sales, they don't want to be focused to USA and limit their market and cut off those with HDMI only TV's and non-Internet and block used games, it can't be, it is all a lie, stop the presses, print the truth.

Well here is it, the truth, the worldwide sales of 360:
In the end, Canada, forgot it, we even stop recording the sales, it is so slow, so whom cares, even Nintendo released more Wii-mini instead of Wii-U to this cold North country most don't even know where is is on the Globe.

Japan, will the 360 failed, it lucky to sell 300 units in one week now after 8 years and tons of cool games, so forgot about XB1 there, we don't need them.

Aussie, the land-down-under formerly a JAIL, what? where? whom? -- and we also stop recording sales due to LOW demand.

Ok, EU there is market, will it is so low, we have to include UK 8 million to bring up the figures to make it look good.

So whats left, the 25 million in USA and the 8 million in UK (reason why UK has alot of TV partners and INDIE store).

That is the market for XB1, sorry to say, everyone else can kiss my ass. -- So long and thanks for your M$ bucks, but we don't care, both USA and UK has strong broadband support, happy customers and DRM loving fans, so we support them first!

HAHAH great write up.




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xmod4u

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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2013, 09:57:09 PM »


Well, Might as well jump in, now that we are getting a bit of action on this old site...

First, the Canadian thing. Well, I honestly don't think Microsoft would deliberately ignore us based on numbers. Besides, 800k units more, is 800k units more! Sales are sales, they add up. Besides the point, thinking that Canada will be left out of the services offered is ignorant.

The look of the system : Well, yeah, it looks like shit! There, i said it. But you know what, in the end it does not really matter. I think reliability is going to be more scrutinized this time around, let's see if I can get at least 5 years of functionality out of it.  

The connection : We all bitch about it, yet, deep down inside we all know the industry is heading towards that either we like or not. Im ok with the system requiring to "connect" when needed, we all have internet. People that don't have internet, couldn't care less about a game console. My only concern about that subject, and I know it's going to be the case, is advertising... we are going to be bombarded with commercial bullshit.

The "activation" : Now, thats where I have an issue with. And yes, its the big debate... Im old school and like a physical product. Now your going to say that I just agreed with the future of "digital era", and I do, but prefer the option then the inevitable. The problem lies with the idea of "needing", or relying should I say, on a company to access a product I purchased. If that said company decides to stop the service for whatever reason, I am left without a product, and that is a problem. And knowing Microsoft and what they did to the first Xbox, im not too confident in investing towards that possibility.
Also, it's all nice trying to kill the "used" market, some agree as they hate on EB/GS and other used game shops all the time, but what about resell value... You the consumer will loose in this concept as well, you buy a 60$ game and finish it in 5hrs, well tough luck buddy, thats the end of that story!

In the end, we can say what we want, we can bitch all day, they are going to do what they want and most people will buy anyways. It's a consumer world and they know how to make you need it.




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wilgo45

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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2013, 10:20:21 PM »


I think this design was for the North Korean market and showed us the wrong One. Anyway I don't use the Kinect at all and sold mine within 2 weeks. I have no interest in commanding via gestures or voice as I just want to do little as possible and start playing games. M$ seem to focus to much on the unimportant aspects of design and win8 is a great example of this. People don't really give a shit how it turns on or how to move through menu system, we just want to have a good gaming experience.


Amen  .... brother




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wilgo45

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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2013, 10:37:05 PM »



In the end, we can say what we want, we can bitch all day, they are going to do what they want and most people will buy anyways. It's a consumer world and they know how to make you need it.


Some people like to get fish hooked with the latest and greatest.  They don't care the sacrifices or restrictions.  They just want.  Its a status marker to them.

Other consumers want a better product with none of the crap.  Those people don't want to be dictated ridiculous terms.

Enough people go into it with Eyes Wide Open  ... MS profit margin might significantly suffer.  Forcing them to change the parameters.

If One (one pile of crap) turns out to be as bad as we are expecting; Consumers should stand in refusal of that product.  

Things have been boycotted before




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spoone

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« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2013, 02:37:52 AM »


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So whats left, the 25 million in USA and the 8 million in UK (reason why UK has alot of TV partners and INDIE store).

That is the market for XB1, sorry to say, everyone else can kiss my ass. -- So long and thanks for your M$ bucks, but we don't care, both USA and UK has strong broadband support, happy customers and DRM loving fans, so we support them first!

well, garyopa, i stand corrected.
although i still hope that M$ won't be that stupid.

by the way, does anyone know or have a clue how this tv integration works? is it tv via internet or is it tv to xbox one and vice versa via hdmi?

cheers,
spoone




Edited by spoone, 24 May 2013 - 10:44 AM.


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Aldanga

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« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2013, 07:43:20 AM »


There's an HDMI in port, so one would presume it's going to be that way.




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