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giblet

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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2011, 06:00:49 AM »


can anyone answer my question?i feel its pretty valid considering most people here are running some form of cfw.


Yes.




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orangpelupa

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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2011, 06:26:32 AM »


also if  xkey compatible with DVD CFW, it will be a lot better in ease of use.

so gamer can play iso from HDD, or do pass thru and play pi.... backup from disc.




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col12

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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2011, 07:14:43 AM »


i think theres a clone being made acorrding to someone on #fw




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angrykid

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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2011, 07:24:07 AM »


there will be one small thing they "forgot" or "could not" emulate and then bam....... say goodbye to XBL suckers
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also entertaining to watch people have hissy fits on here  jester.gif




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njmbb8

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« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2011, 07:35:39 AM »


i love the device and really want one. but it costs more than what i payed for my xbox




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Reaper527

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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2011, 10:14:42 AM »


They would have to check it on every boot


and? do they not do ap2.5 checks every time you try to boot an ap2.5 game? do they not do other various security checks every time the console boots? do the slims not do automated firmware checks on every boot? you make it sound like it is a problem to have to do checks on every boot.

also, i think the stuff they have done to banned consoles should show you exactly how far microsoft can go. i think you are misunderstanding how far microsoft can legally go. did you forget that when they ban a console, they remove the consoles ability to legitimatley sign content, meaning your content is locked to your system and can't be moved to another? and don't forget the profile bans they gave to people who played games before release date a few years ago (or more specifically, took away access to all of those people's purchased dlc/xbla content, with no way to retrieve it ever)

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If xKey really is fully updatable as they claim and it's FPGA / ARM provides enough horse power, I don't see how they couldn't eventually get the console to be fooled for some time  - until the next update.


that is assuming that microsoft detects an imperfection like they have done with various cfw revisions as opposed to being able to just tell right off the bat that this is an emulator and not a real drive. like i said, only time will tell. i personally am skeptic about the longevity of this device.


I believe it's hard for Microsoft to ban again. Here's the reasons.

1. Microsoft get nothing out of banning consoles (no incentives of banning consoles)
2. Street will be flooded with ban consoles.
3. Hacker just sell their ban console on craiglist and buy a new one. (now that there is a replacement board from team-xecuter)

I think MS will think twice before they ban again. They will compare the benefits vs negatives.
If they want to win this battle, they should make it harder for the hackers to get online or make it harder for the games to load like the ap25 check or implement XGD3 disc format instead. That way they won't flood the street with ban consoles. In the end, hackers just buy another new console. So no benefit for MS to ban consoles.



people say this all the time. you are being naive. people present the same points of logic every time that there has been any span of time since the last banwave. these same people are always shocked when microsoft finds a new reliable way to detect people and starts swinging the ban hammer.




Edited by Reaper527, 03 July 2011 - 06:20 PM.


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tonelab77

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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2011, 10:46:32 AM »


pv3nomq says:
I say: You are an idiot.

These teams finally work on a project that allows HD play without a JTAG machine and idiots like you can only complain.  I recommend you keep your money because you need it for an education.

I couldn't agree with you more. What an effing tool shed! Unappreciative fools like that should be banned from life!

no, i think he has a valid point. the detectability of this device is an issue that we will have to wait and see on. microsoft has in the past proven that they have no problem with blocking 3rd party products at the console level. just look at the datel fiasco a few years ago.

if microsoft DOES detect that a console is using one of these devices, what will they do? will they simply ban the console, or will they implement something in a future dash/kernel update to prevent booting from it, rending the device as a paperweight?

no one will know how well this device will work long term until the product is released and we see what microsoft can do about it.

He has a valid point if you're a one of the many [insert degrading remark here] who thinks anything will ever be "live safe". If you want to play on live so badly, buy a second (live only) console.

This is for people who cannot JTAG their consoles, either because of incompatible dash version/blown e-fuses or inexperience in JTAGing a 360; People who just want to load up all their games on external hard drives. It's NOT for people who have no common sense, and want to play every burned game they have on live.




Edited by tonelab77, 03 July 2011 - 07:00 PM.


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bill16504

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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2011, 10:56:56 AM »


I believe it's hard for Microsoft to ban again. Here's the reasons.

1. Microsoft get nothing out of banning consoles (no incentives of banning consoles)
2. Street will be flooded with ban consoles.
3. Hacker just sell their ban console on craiglist and buy a new one. (now that there is a replacement board from team-xecuter)

I think MS will think twice before they ban again. They will compare the benefits vs negatives.
If they want to win this battle, they should make it harder for the hackers to get online or make it harder for the games to load like the ap25 check or implement XGD3 disc format instead. That way they won't flood the street with ban consoles. In the end, hackers just buy another new console. So no benefit for MS to ban consoles.


2007 just called... they want your reasoning back.

1. No incentive to ban? MS makes more $$$ from game sales than they do console sales.

2. What concern is it to MS if the "streets are flooded", as you put it, with banned consoles? MS doesn't lose any $$$ from used consoles.

3. Hacker will sell their console and buy a new one you say. Help me understand how buying a new console doesn't help MS. You're giving them more money for another console.




Edited by bill16504, 03 July 2011 - 07:02 PM.


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sini

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« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2011, 11:31:11 AM »


This device sounds awesome but it sucks that you still have to dump the firmware from your dvd-rom. Since it's man in the middle can't it just sniff out the key? That way you could just download an orig firmware for your drive to the device and let it fill in the key.
I don't mind dumping the firmware of older drives but some of the newer ones are a real pain.

again a lot of bullshit from a team who only wants your money asap. thats why they would like everyone to preorder. prices will go down pretty fast after release...

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'd4f'

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« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2011, 01:01:58 PM »

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That way you could just download an orig firmware for your drive to the device and let it fill in the key.

To my understanding there is no problem injecting the key into a vanilla firmware.
However
- someone needs to provide all firmware versions
- you still need the key

So at the end of the day you have (more or less) the same work wink.gif

Sniffing is not possible if no security-critical weakness is found in the encrypted channel. (Afaik the key is never transferred, only the data which is encrypted with the key)
You would have to do Jungleflash-style hacks on the device to get the key.
               
               

               


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'sncboom2k'

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« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2011, 01:36:02 PM »

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               All this detection bit aside - the price tag is pretty high on this device so I'm wondering if they'll provide the tools needed to "read your key" in order to install it.  Otherwise that will be an additional cost.

Pricey - but may be worth it. I'll wait until they launch and work out some bugs before buying.  Sorry - not an early adopter for that much money.
               
               

               
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'manu_xl'

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« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2011, 04:14:41 PM »

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'Exobex'

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« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2011, 05:44:52 PM »

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again a lot of bullshit from a team who only wants your money asap. thats why they would like everyone to preorder. prices will go down pretty fast after release...

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kiltear

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« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2011, 09:55:26 PM »


2007 just called... they want your reasoning back.

1. No incentive to ban? MS makes more $$$ from game sales than they do console sales.

2. What concern is it to MS if the "streets are flooded", as you put it, with banned consoles? MS doesn't lose any $$$ from used consoles.

3. Hacker will sell their console and buy a new one you say. Help me understand how buying a new console doesn't help MS. You're giving them more money for another console.



here's my reply back
1. How can they (MS) make money on games if the person is buying a used ban console and can't play on Live.
2. Yes, they are losing $$$ because that person could have bought a new console from a retail store instead of the ban console if there are plenty of cheap ban consoles on the street.
3. Well there is always a second hand buyer.




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kerry

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« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2011, 01:57:58 AM »


wow.....it would be cool to play games from an USB device without any firmware changes...i would buy one for 99$ at max though....




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