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Author Topic: I'm Gonna Try To Bust The Container Encryption  (Read 821 times)

Millenia1x

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« Reply #60 on: December 25, 2006, 04:44:28 PM »


we would need a time machine to do this




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OpticNurv

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« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2006, 01:25:07 AM »


that is impossible with anything we can see in the future. it too my computer 4 months to brute force a file that was encrypted with this password  hF5D8~!82*   i could use my computer the time i had to use a laptop.

the file contained nothing in the end..  mad.gif


time to upgrade  rolleyes.gif




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FrEaKsHoW12390

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« Reply #62 on: December 26, 2006, 06:48:32 PM »


that is impossible with anything we can see in the future. it too my computer 4 months to brute force a file that was encrypted with this password  hF5D8~!82*   i could use my computer the time i had to use a laptop.

the file contained nothing in the end..  mad.gif


lol wow it really is time to upgrade xD




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eyric101

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« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2006, 07:02:12 PM »


Actually I like SCVirus' Idea.  It has a lot more potential.  Anyone up for a mission impossible style breaking and entering?




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TheGreekBazos

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« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2006, 07:18:07 AM »


I would not say that this is not impossible because eventually 2048 RSA key will be hacked that is just the nature of the beast.  The fact is that it is not practible way attacking the 360 because of the time it will take to do it.  The only way I could see this even being attempted is by using Rainbow tables.  Even then creating the rainbow tables for the 2048 RSA key would take FOREVER and would take an enormous amount of space...most likely than any amount of space on any home computer...I am estimating Terabytes...multiples....hundreds...If this was ever going to be considered to be done a program would have to be designed to create every single 2048 RSA key.  For those that know about this just think of the Size of a Rainbow table for 128bit keys...they range in the 6GB which is not big but every bit you go up exponentially in size.  A 2048bit Key the size of the rainbow table would be so large that buying a server to house that data without a hiccup = very difficult task.

Why this isn’t a good idea:

1.  Time consuming to create the rainbow tables (faster than straight brute force attack)
2.  Difficult to centralize the data because of the sheer size of the rainbow table
3.  Then I imagine even after the rainbow table is created it would take a while to actually crack the RSA key.  but would be extremely faster than a straight brute force attack.




Edited by TheGreekBazos, 29 December 2006 - 04:19 PM.


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comradpoplin

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« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2006, 04:25:12 PM »


key! i have a key i finnally found my house key it unlocks my front door maybe it could unlock the secrets of the 360 to!.


only friskin with yas im up for the xbox being opend up just as much as any one but to put your time into such a fruitless task seems pointless when there are no doubt more viable options that you could spend your time probing eventually leading to the same desired effect
=someones proudly home made version of pong! running on there beast of a 360  happy.gif




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OpticNurv

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« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2006, 05:14:54 PM »


key! i have a key i finnally found my house key it unlocks my front door maybe it could unlock the secrets of the 360 to!.
only friskin with yas im up for the xbox being opend up just as much as any one but to put your time into such a fruitless task seems pointless when there are no doubt more viable options that you could spend your time probing eventually leading to the same desired effect
=someones proudly home made version of pong! running on there beast of a 360  happy.gif


that sir, is an insult...              pong would r4p3 the 360!!!!!
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nickolasj80

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« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2007, 02:46:48 AM »


Screw this!  I'm just gonna call M$ and tell them:

"Hello, this is Steve Douglas, I am from the encryption key checking department.  I need to make sure your key is secure.  Could you please email me the key so that we may run it through our systems?"

Then, after they email it, I would end the call with:
"By the way, is your refrigerator running?"


cool.gif  Comedy gold!

In all seriousness, there has got to be a back door to the 360...

An interesting concept, in hacking Nagravsion2 (Dish Network's most recent encryption venue), a perfect analogy was given to express how the security worked...it was like this:

Picture a house, inside the house is the data we need.  The house has a front door, a back door (possibly) and a window.  Even if you had a key to the house, you couldnt just walk right in, because there was a guard.  So essentially what needs to be done is this, a distraction is carried out to keep the guard occupied, say a brick through the window, at that point you would attempt to enter through the back door, once inside the guard could do very little to stop you from getting what you wanted.

My point is this, with the 360 there is probably multiple levels of security (ie, doors and a guard).  The best bet I see for exploiting this box is simultaneous attacks at most or all levels of its security, it will, eventually leave one layer exposed, then BAM, we're in like Flynn.

thoughts?

PS my concept was for exploiting the box itself, not the 2048 key, like most others have said, thats a lost cause.




Edited by nickolasj80, 04 January 2007 - 12:00 PM.


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Drunkn_Munky

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« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2007, 07:00:45 AM »


you are going to brute force the 2048bit encryption key??? The one that would take thousands of years to crack using the most advanced supercomputers on the planet???


I guess you've never read Dan Brown's Digital Fortress tongue.gif





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Magixx

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« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2007, 03:19:34 PM »


@TheGreekBazos

Rainbow Tables can get really large, for example my current and best rainbow table is 64GB in size and contains every keyboard character. You also have to remember that generating these tables takes months.




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jizmo

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« Reply #70 on: January 17, 2007, 12:39:16 AM »


It's a non-sense thread and brute forcing the key isn't obviously an option - it's been discussed a thousand times in the forums.

But just out of curiosity - let's say that you WOULD get the right key by a chance. How would one test it out in practise, to know if it's the right one?




Edited by jizmo, 17 January 2007 - 09:41 AM.


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